U.f.o disclosure project

[peterb]

wait a second, there are stupid people making stupid videos on youtube?

WHEN DID THIS HAPPEN?

A few nanoseconds before the Daily Mail started reporting them.

[TheAnimus]

ah yes, the old CREATE TRIGGER ON EMOTIVE_BULLCRAP very powerful

[peterb]

On a more serious note, as I said earlier - I don't dounbt that these people did see what they described - but thir interpretation is certainly open to doubt. They have made statements, but there was no cross examination, or discussion of alternative interpretations.

As Chuckskull said, the probability that there are other life forms in the universe is high, but if they have the technology to travel the distances and detect us, it is quite likely that they have the technology to remain hidden.

Ah well, back to "The Hitchhikers' Guide".

[Biscuit]

Is that a serious post?
Genuine question BTW

Yeah, im not saying they definitively do censor things, Im just saying they could, meaning the fact that there isnt much odd footage from space doesn't really prove anything. As i said earlier, i do believe that UFOs are likely to be of human origin i just wouldnt use Nasa's results as some form of evidence towards this.

[Biscuit]

I dont think my avatar is doing me any favours! :s

[chuckskull]

Not NASA's results. Things entering and leaving the upper atmosphere are of great interest to every major superpower and many others. For one simple reason, if doomsday ever comes, that's where it will come from, ballistic missiles are only really detectable during two stages of their flight the initial burn and re-entry. Cylindrical objects, or frankly any others entering or leaving the atmosphere would immediately draw the attention of every nuclear power and their labyrinthine detection networks.

Rather than cover it up, the first nation detect/capture/welcome alien life would gain political power, status and wealth very, very, quickly. The reason most powers maintain first contact procedures and facilities is not to make any visitor to Earth feel welcome but out of personal interest. The man who introduces Earth to the universe is a man who would soon wield unimaginable power. I don't think they'd hide it, merely out of fear someone else would steal their thunder.

Sorry, but the whole idea that nations who've built enough armament to liquefy the earth's crust multiple times over, each, out of malice, mistrust and desire for power, would work together to hide something that any one of them could take for their own at great personal gain, with little effort(a photo and a press release would be enough), is just a Hollywood plot device to aid the suspension of disbelief.

Alien life is the ultimate PR coup. It's the ultimate trump card, there's no 'dirt' or threat it wouldn't instantly render irrelevant.

[Biscuit]

Very good point and your probably right. Im not going to pretend im an expert on UFOlogy, world politics, PR, global security or astronomy because im not, im far from it. One thing that does strike me is that these people you speak of are not stupid, if they will receive a greater bonus by hiding these discoveries and learning more about it themselves, in secret, that's exactly what they will do. Like you have said these people have developed technology which can liquify the earths crust multiple times over, surely their number one goal in this would be to secure their own safety in such findings before they would risk worldwide PR?

[Perfectionist]

Ah, saw this today actually in the news (not the daily mail comic): google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5iwmhZTU4H8fteXw-s-Eg5ULVyzkw

[5cupa]

i watched all of it and theres nothing new being said. some lets say basic military protocol is very dubious in the accounts e.g

'A seargant was told to go out back and burn the photos of the UFOs without looking at them'

ummmm might as well given it to the janitor to burn on a windy day downtown.....

'I held Secret Security clearance and was in charge of nuclear warheads)

ummm I dont think so, you would hold at least a DV and more likely crypto level for that sort of work.


and lastly if the mail reports we have been visited by aliens and they may be living among us, I want to know are they paying air tax or claiming benefits from the government?

[chuckskull]

Very good point and your probably right. Im not going to pretend im an expert on UFOlogy, world politics, PR, global security or astronomy because im not, im far from it. One thing that does strike me is that these people you speak of are not stupid, if they will receive a greater bonus by hiding these discoveries and learning more about it themselves, in secret, that's exactly what they will do. Like you have said these people have developed technology which can liquify the earths crust multiple times over, surely their number one goal in this would be to secure their own safety in such findings before they would risk worldwide PR?

Oh no, not stupid at all, and certainly greedy enough that it would cross their minds to horde for themselves, but if it's detectable by one nation, its detectable by others. The packaging might be different between nations but the basic technologies and methods are pretty universal, radar, ladar, FLIR etc.

The scenarios the conspiracy theorists always postulate require one of two scenarios; Either one nation(usually America) having such a massive technological advantage they're only ones able to track and shoot down Alien craft, do it in total secrecy and hold the pilots without response from the pilots military/race. Or co-operation and complicity on a scale never before seen, between multiple nations that were at the time on the brink of war and even today still pretty hostile to each other, again in total secrecy. Both of which I find as implausible as an Extraterrestrial being incredibly interested in a redneck's rectum.

Even if they weren't willing to use the word or even believe it was aliens, most would raise some serious concerns and have grounds to do so, on the slightest bit of evidence of secretive high orbit activity. Due various treaties and moratorium's on orbital weaponry. Not to mention that there's a flip side to what I said about power too, being the man who held back mankind's greatest revelation since the wheel, would not be in a particularly tenable position.

Like I said, I'm certain there's other life in the universe as are many well funded and educated people who're actively looking for it. So far without success. Not even one dubious radar track of a craft approaching from beyond the moon, nothing, nout, zip, nada. Yet if you believe even 10% of UFO spotters claims are true, aliens apparently visit us almost daily, in very bright, very hot, therefore very easy to detect ships. Seriously, if any of the common descriptions of alien craft are true they would light up nuclear early warning systems, civilian and military monitoring systems and huge amounts of scientific equipment all over the planet. Alerting more people and providing more evidence than even the (alleged)combined conspiratorial superpowers could ever hope to suppress.

[Biscuit]

'A seargant was told to go out back and burn the photos of the UFOs without looking at them'

ummmm might as well given it to the janitor to burn on a windy day downtown.....

That made me laugh aswell. Why on earth would they send someone to observe a grunt burn photos hes not allowed to look at, why not just get the observer to burn them? Stupid!

Oh no, not stupid at all, and certainly greedy enough that it would cross their minds to horde for themselves, but if it's detectable by one nation, its detectable by others. The packaging might be different between nations but the basic technologies and methods are pretty universal, radar, ladar, FLIR etc.

The scenarios the conspiracy theorists always postulate require one of two scenarios; Either one nation(usually America) having such a massive technological advantage they're only ones able to track and shoot down Alien craft, do it in total secrecy and hold the pilots without response from the pilots military/race. Or co-operation and complicity on a scale never before seen, between multiple nations that were at the time on the brink of war and even today still pretty hostile to each other, again in total secrecy. Both of which I find as implausible as an Extraterrestrial being incredibly interested in a redneck's rectum.

Even if they weren't willing to use the word or even believe it was aliens, most would raise some serious concerns and have grounds to do so, on the slightest bit of evidence of secretive high orbit activity. Due various treaties and moratorium's on orbital weaponry. Not to mention that there's a flip side to what I said about power too, being the man who held back mankind's greatest revelation since the wheel, would not be in a particularly tenable position.

Like I said, I'm certain there's other life in the universe as are many well funded and educated people who're actively looking for it. So far without success. Not even one dubious radar track of a craft approaching from beyond the moon, nothing, nout, zip, nada. Yet if you believe even 10% of UFO spotters claims are true, aliens apparently visit us almost daily, in very bright, very hot, therefore very easy to detect ships. Seriously, if any of the common descriptions of alien craft are true they would light up nuclear early warning systems, civilian and military monitoring systems and huge amounts of scientific equipment all over the planet. Alerting more people and providing more evidence than even the (alleged)combined conspiratorial superpowers could ever hope to suppress.

I guess the only consipirational (is that a word) reply to that is they would have the technology to avoid such detection systems... but its pushing the boat out

[chuckskull]

I guess the only consipirational (is that a word) reply to that is they would have the technology to avoid such detection systems... but its pushing the boat out

Ahh, but then they wouldn't be detected at all. By human eyes or technological, unless they wanted to be, again rendering the whole point moot.

Yup, conspirational is a word, conspiratorial, would probably work better in the sentence(although I may just think that because it's fun to say >.>). I shouldn't really talk though, half the time my grammar would embarrass an 8 year old.

[scaryjim]

... if the mail reports we have been visited by aliens and they may be living among us, I want to know are they paying air tax or claiming benefits from the government?

Priceless! Someone should write to them and ask

[petercook7]

On a more serious note, as I said earlier - I don't dounbt that these people did see what they described - but thir interpretation is certainly open to doubt. They have made statements, but there was no cross examination, or discussion of alternative interpretations.

As Chuckskull said, the probability that there are other life forms in the universe is high, but if they have the technology to travel the distances and detect us, it is quite likely that they have the technology to remain hidden.

Ah well, back to "The Hitchhikers' Guide".

yep, are tech might not beable to detect them

Like I said, I'm certain there's other life in the universe as are many well funded and educated people who're actively looking for it. So far without success. Not even one dubious radar track of a craft approaching from beyond the moon, nothing, nout, zip, nada. Yet if you believe even 10% of UFO spotters claims are true, aliens apparently visit us almost daily, in very bright, very hot, therefore very easy to detect ships. Seriously, if any of the common descriptions of alien craft are true they would light up nuclear early warning systems, civilian and military monitoring systems and huge amounts of scientific equipment all over the planet. Alerting more people and providing more evidence than even the (alleged)combined conspiratorial superpowers could ever hope to suppress.

chuckskull just because we can't detect them doesnt mean they arent there, have you ever thought that our tech isnt up to standard? What about the steath plane radar couldnt detect that or if it did it was interpreted as a bird. Your telling me in space there is no life apart from ours? you believe more in a god than in other life?
Your the same type of person hundreds of years ago would say the world is flat and goes on forever and there was no space, typical human responce unable to see the bigger picture only able to understand his time frame and unable to open the mind to the unthinkable, dont worry its a common human problem.

[nibbler]

yep, are tech might not beable to detect them





chuckskull just because we can't detect them doesnt mean they arent there, have you ever thought that our tech isnt up to standard? What about the steath plane radar couldnt detect that or if it did it was interpreted as a bird. Your telling me in space there is no life apart from ours? you believe more in a god than in other life?
Your the same type of person hundreds of years ago would say the world is flat and goes on forever and there was no space, typical human responce unable to see the bigger picture only able to understand his time frame and unable to open the mind to the unthinkable, dont worry its a common human problem.

Or we could all just believe what we want to believe and get on with out lives without getting annoyed by others who don't agree.

[Biscuit]

Or we could all just believe what we want to believe and get on with out lives without getting annoyed by others who don't agree.

No... this is the internet