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    Re: Can work demand a doctors report?

    Quote Originally Posted by Behemoth View Post
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    I was threatened with all sorts, was told if I didn't co-operate they'd sack me and everything.

    I stood my ground though and said sorry but I refuse to give permission for you to contact my GP, all he'll do is confirm a consultation took place and that he sgined me off as not fit for work for the reason stated and nothing else.

    They can ask and demmand as much as they want till their blue in the face, but at the end of the day they have no right to have a report on you at all so I personally would be telling them to go take a very long walk off a short cliff.
    Being sacked for refusing to cooperate is a daft threat to make, because that alone could put them in front of an employment tribunal.

    However .... being sacked for refusing to cooperate, and ending up being sacked if you don't cooperate are very different, and the latter is a possibility.

    You have to bear in mind that your employment is a contractual issue, and that it implies duties and responsibilities on both sides. Part of that is that you are capable of doing the job. For instance, if you have a long-term health issue that means you are not capable of doing the job for a protracted period, then you might be dismissed for that reason and, if the employer does it properly, it will be fair. To do that, they need to look at all the circumstances, and to act in a way that is "fair", but fairness cuts both ways. That fairness will include how long it is reasonable to expect the employer to wait for your health to recover to the point that you can fulfil the contractual obligations of your employment contract. Don't make the mistake of thinking that you can't be dismissed because you're ill, because you can. It isn't entirely straightforward, and it certainly has to be done in a way that is fair, but it most certainly is possible, in the right circumstances. Spencer v Paragon Wallpapers Ltd 1977.

    It is also the case that in a situation like that, one option open to an employer is to offer suitable alternative employment, perhaps with less hours, perhaps in a different location, perhaps involving different things so that a physical problem may be worked round. For instance, you may not be able to go out and about driving all day, but you might be able to do desk work.

    In that type of situation, it is quite reasonable for an employer to seek to consult with your GP about exactly what the condition implies in terms of what you can and can't do. In many cases, not being able to do your normal work doesn't mean you can't do any work at all.

    You're right, in that they cannot demand you consent, and to do so would be stupid. But .... if you refuse, they can act on the information and circumstances as known to them, and that might result in dismissal when the report might have meant an alternative could be found.

    They cannot demand a medical report, but they are quite within their rights, as explicitly laid out in the Act I mentioned earlier, to ask for one, provided it's for "employment or insurance purposes". They can't do it because they're being nosy, but they can do it if they have valid reason.

    Similarly, if you have a series of absences for different reasons, then your job is potentially at risk.This time, it isn't so much the medical condition that's an issue because those reasons were different, but it is an issue of reliability and of living up to your contractual commitments. Most employers will have a procedure for dealing with this, and it may include meetings, targets and deadlines for improvement being set, and it may include company occupational health or doctors, but they can take action based on persistent minor absences, provided their procedures are fair, and they follow them.


    Tell them to take a walk off a cliff by all means, but if you do, the result may be unemployment. You may not have ended up like that, but believe me, it is a very real risk. At the very least, your cards will likely be marked as awkward and obstructive, which may well put paid to chances of promotion. That may never be formally put on file, but managers have a way of noting things like that, and tend not to forget.

    All this is why I said to think it out carefully. And each of us have different experiences, different circumstances and different employers and relationships. It might be in your best interests to decline, though I'd strongly advocate a less pejorative way of declining than the cliff suggestion (perhaps, like regard for privacy), but it equally well might be that they are looking for ways to help you and you prevent them doing it. The best way to find out is to allow them to request the report, and then examine the report to see what they requested, and what they're going to get. Then, and only then, decide whether they get it or not.

    It's probably best never to be in the position where they ask for a medical report, but given that they have, that is, in my view, the best way forward.

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    Re: Can work demand a doctors report?

    Again thanks for the information, great as always...however a little bit of news some people may remember in anouther of my threads i spoke about how the manage did this that and the other, well it turns out my efforts payed off, today is his last day XD

    I'm not sure what this means as we now wont have a manager, for how long i've no idea but it does mean i'm going to have to speak with the duty manager to find out what is going on and find out if a doctors report is needed.
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    Re: Can work demand a doctors report?

    Personally mate, I'd say nothing about it and let them chase you.

    They want it done, have them do all the chasing.

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    Re: Can work demand a doctors report?

    did they pay you or did you just get SSP?

    If they paid you your full wage then to be honest it may be a good idea to let them see it, if you just got SSP then sod them cheeky gits

    If you have an illness that is keeping you off work then I would probably let them see it, whats the harm?

    When I got really ill due to a bad virus I caught while away on a bussines trip I was only given SSP I wouldn't have minded but it was the fact that they sent me away, they arranged all my food, I got ill becuase of the above and it cost me £100s at Christmas time (the time I needed more £100s then ever before!)
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    i think its TK max so they wont pay you.. tbh with them if you don't do what your asked you will find yourself out on your arse.

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    Re: Can work demand a doctors report?

    Quote Originally Posted by razer121 View Post
    Again thanks for the information, great as always...however a little bit of news some people may remember in anouther of my threads i spoke about how the manage did this that and the other, well it turns out my efforts payed off, today is his last day XD

    I'm not sure what this means as we now wont have a manager, for how long i've no idea but it does mean i'm going to have to speak with the duty manager to find out what is going on and find out if a doctors report is needed.
    it's usually HR that decides if they want a report or not (sometimes the manager can ask HR to arrange this, if HR agree they may do it), and if they do they would usually write to the employee asking them to sign a letter of permission that they can send to the doctor

    whether you are paid SSP, full pay or half pay is irrelevant, the employer has a duty of care towards staff and are required to ensure staff aren't harming themselves by working, the report helps the employer find out if the employee is fit to work or needs reasonable adjustment. the employer has to pay for any sickpay even if it's SSP (unless it's a small company that can claim back SSP), so if they are paying someone who isn't working, it's in their interests to find out the reasons why and what they can do to help the employee back to work as quickly as possible and help avoid further absence. employers also want to know if/when staff will be back to work so they can arrange replacement staff if necessary. the reports can help give indication if absence will be a month or two, or six months or longer, or if the employee can do the same job again. if the report confirms someone will be back to work as normal in a couple of months it's usually beneficial to staff

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    Re: Can work demand a doctors report?

    i was paid full sick pay untill this week, next week i've been told i wont be getting any pay sucks but i cant do my job at the moment,

    I will be completely able to do my job again when i fully recover, i was skeptical giving information to the manager due to his big gob, but now that he is gone i'm not sure as said before i'm going to see my doctor next week so going to express my concerns and see what he say's.
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    Saracan, your knowledge never fails to amaze me! Credit to you

    He guesses and blags most of it

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    Re: Can work demand a doctors report?

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    He guesses and blags most of it
    You got a spy camera in my office or something. How'd you know?

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    Re: Can work demand a doctors report?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blitzen View Post
    He guesses and blags most of it
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    You got a spy camera in my office or something. How'd you know?
    I am the original guess/blagger

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