Vaporizers, E-cigarettes, etc.

[Smudger]

Most 'fresh smokers' start vaping at 18, but IMO that's a bit too high. 12 should be pretty good.
Can't speak for the device, but the Nautilus 2 tank is wicked good - Bloke at work has one and the wife has three (one for each flavour). Even I got one in the end. The coils they use are the best ever, from teh old Nautilus Mini, which they went back to because nothing else is as good!


Try and start vaping straight off, iff you can and get in the habit. That will help more than anything else - Getting your head into the idea that this is how you 'smoke' now. The rest will follow.

My old one was a Nautilus Mini, so I can use the same coils? Cool, I've got loads at home... And I presume I can fit the Mini tank on my current battery, in case I have an accident or something...

[Ttaskmaster]

My old one was a Nautilus Mini, so I can use the same coils?

They will fit, yes.
Performance will be about equal to the old Mini (technically the 2 is the 'New Mini' ), though as the 2 is geared around 0.7Ω coils. These newer ones are better geared toward handling 60VG. Up to you which you prefer.

And I presume I can fit the Mini tank on my current battery, in case I have an accident or something...

You can, yes.
Most mods/devices and tanks these days follow the 510 thread standard. It's only very old tanks that need a 510-Ego adapter and they're not amazing tanks by modern standards.
Best part about the Nauti 2 is the top-fill!

[Allen]

did you just stop or switch to 0mg ?

Stopped completely. When you have a cardiologist telling you something is wrong with your heart, you suddenly don't feel the withdrawal symptoms.

[Moby-Dick]

I'd imagine not !

[Smudger]

You can, yes.
Most mods/devices and tanks these days follow the 510 thread standard. It's only very old tanks that need a 510-Ego adapter and they're not amazing tanks by modern standards.
Best part about the Nauti 2 is the top-fill!

Wait, top-fill? The bloke in the shop didn't say anything about that!

Ah, hang on, I see what you mean now... I thought you meant you could refill without taking anything apart...

[Ttaskmaster]

Wait, top-fill? The bloke in the shop didn't say anything about that!
Ah, hang on, I see what you mean now... I thought you meant you could refill without taking anything apart...

Not on the Nauti 2... But check out the Smok tanks (Cloud Beast, Big Baby, etc) and the TECC Slider, as well as the new Cubis 2 - All basically have a swing/slide/flip open fill port and you really don't have to take anything apart!

[Millennium]

I smoked on and off for like 5 years, also before that but not really, now I have a Coolfire IV TC100 box with a 0.5 ohm coil and I get my juice from e-liquid and freshmist, generally pay £1 per 10ml or less delivered. I get through about 8ml a day so I like to get it cheap. If anyone has any recommendations for liquids to try I would be game. I generally prefer the high VG options. Also there is a thing called popcorn lung, look it up, the flavourings used do matter.

[Ttaskmaster]

generally pay £1 per 10ml or less delivered. I get through about 8ml a day so I like to get it cheap.

It's generally cheap for a reason... especially that cheap.
Mixing it at home is the cheapest, but even getting the cheap junk that Vampire Vapes use, you average about 87p per 10ml. If a company is still flogging theirs, with all the additional overheads, at £1 a bottle, then they're possibly pulling some fast ones on you.

I pay up to £6 for 10ml of premium brand juice (less for more on 0nic) but these are also certified, regulated and guaranteed to be quality product, free from all nasties.... and they generally have far better flavours, in terms of selection, actual flavour and strength of flavour.
I have a coupel of cheapy ones I use, but they're not that cheap and even still the quality is debatable.

However, for pure quality, Tit Sauce, Flavor West, Mountain Baker and most of the big ones also offer concentrates to mix your own. If you want top quality at the lowest possible price, this is how you do it.
My mate Jack mixes his in five litre batches... just a shame he doesn't do any flavours I like!!

Also there is a thing called popcorn lung, look it up, the flavourings used do matter.

That was a while ago and if you know of any company still using diacetyl, SHOP THEM NOW!!!

The last one I knew to get caught using diacetyl was actually VIP, although they're not exactly the forefront of vaping that they claim to be and have had to start stocking Kangertech products in order to keep up - But remember to only use VIP kit, as all others are inferior... honest... you can trust what we say, because we say you can... !!

[mantero]

You'd probably get a better response here:

Either that or a vape/e-cig specific forum.

I myself used an Eleaf iStick Pico with a Smok TFV8 tank, producing wonderful flavour and loads of cloud. I say "used" because due to a recently developed heart condition I have had to give it up, it seems that no form of nicotine agrees with me.

Thanks, I will have a look at reddit.

[Millennium]

It's generally cheap for a reason... especially that cheap.
Mixing it at home is the cheapest, but even getting the cheap junk that Vampire Vapes use, you average about 87p per 10ml. If a company is still flogging theirs, with all the additional overheads, at £1 a bottle, then they're possibly pulling some fast ones on you.

I pay up to £6 for 10ml of premium brand juice (less for more on 0nic) but these are also certified, regulated and guaranteed to be quality product, free from all nasties.... and they generally have far better flavours, in terms of selection, actual flavour and strength of flavour.
I have a coupel of cheapy ones I use, but they're not that cheap and even still the quality is debatable.

However, for pure quality, Tit Sauce, Flavor West, Mountain Baker and most of the big ones also offer concentrates to mix your own. If you want top quality at the lowest possible price, this is how you do it.
My mate Jack mixes his in five litre batches... just a shame he doesn't do any flavours I like!!


That was a while ago and if you know of any company still using diacetyl, SHOP THEM NOW!!!

The last one I knew to get caught using diacetyl was actually VIP, although they're not exactly the forefront of vaping that they claim to be and have had to start stocking Kangertech products in order to keep up - But remember to only use VIP kit, as all others are inferior... honest... you can trust what we say, because we say you can... !!

I appreciate the response - thank you!

What I won't be doing is buying £6 10ml bottles when I can get by fine on the current crap I have. I don't really give a crap about flavour, just nicotine, my current bottles are a mix of 6 and 11 mg or percent or whatever the measurement is (don't remember). Why should I be buying the premium e-liquids again ?

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edit: I reckon I get through around 5ml a day, on average. That would add up @ £3 a day...

[Moby-Dick]

If you like high nic stuff - have a look at the nicotine salt based juices. They are not really for sub ohm builds but using them on a MTL tank gives a very good hit.

If you are getting through a lot of juice , you might want to look at home brew/ home mix stuff. I've done a few bottle shots from darkstar vapours before and they work out pretty cheap. I made up 750ml of juice for about £45 ( and you can do it for even less ) Post TPD , you have to use the little 10ml nic shots unless you know someone who stocked up pre-tpd.

[mantero]

is true that the closest thing to cigarettes is juul e cigs? I mean, with the highest nicotine concentration compared to others.

[Ttaskmaster]

I don't really give a crap about flavour, just nicotine, my current bottles are a mix of 6 and 11 mg or percent or whatever the measurement is (don't remember). Why should I be buying the premium e-liquids again ?

It's more about what other crap you might have in the crap liquids, such as the added sweeteners that kill your coils stupidly fast - In my Cleito's case within 18 hours... and with the cost of some coils, it can end up costing you a lot more than you think.
Then there's anything else they might put in, even if it's just watering it down, which means you're not getting the nicotine.

But at the end of the day, you'll start to find it's not the nicotine so much anyway. It's the habit. Most vapers find it pretty easy to lower their nic levels and then it is all about the flavours. Even I am starting to use more 0-nic juices.

I reckon I get through around 5ml a day, on average. That would add up @ £3 a day...

That's where you find a premium juice that you like and is available as a concentrate, whereupon you can mix your own. I don't have sufficient opportunity myself, else I'd already be there to support my 10-20ml/day hobby!!

Home mixing a premium flavour would take you to about 50p a day...

is true that the closest thing to cigarettes is juul e cigs? I mean, with the highest nicotine concentration compared to others.

No.
You used to get 36mg nicotine liquids, but simply looking at your fag packet tells you a lot - Even when I was smoking Superking Blacks, they only had 9mg. Senior Service were 12mg, IIRC.
Also, the highest legal nic level is now 20mg. Anything higher is not TPD compliant.

[Smudger]

Forgive my ignorance, but what is sub-ohm?

[Ttaskmaster]

Forgive my ignorance, but what is sub-ohm?

In short, it means bigger clouds and much more flavour.

Dunno how much you know, so here's chapter and verse:

Inside your tank is the atomiser, the replacable bit. The atomiser is a wick of cotton padding, wrapped around a coil of wire. The eliquid wicks in and is heated by the coil, which vapourises the liquid and produces the 'vape'.
The coil heats up because you pass electric current through it.
Most modern atomisers have a resistance value (given in ohms), which reflects how the coil performs and thus dictates the power range for that particular atomiser. Some now come with the best wattage range to use also printed on them.
Most mouth-to-lung (MTL) tanks are 1.0ohms or more, often around 1.5ohms.

Now, Ohms Law governs all this and in basic terms, the lower the resistance, the more wattage you can get from your device. For example, if you put in 3 volts, a 1.5ohm coil might output 8 watts, while a 0.5ohm coil might output 25 watts for those same 3 volts.
The more wattage, the hotter the coil, the more vape you produce. This is where direct-to-lung (DTL) comes in, as you produce much more vape than you can handle in a simple 'fag drag'.

Many SubOhm tanks are around the 0.3ohms and going lower than 1.0ohms is sub-1ohm, thus SubOhm.

Ohms Law becomes important, especially if you build your own coils. It's a hangover from when devices didn't have voltage control or safety cutouts or anything. They were just a battery and an on/off switch. You had to build your coils to match the safe restistance. If you got it wrong, you could burn out the coil or even blow the battery.
These are called mechanical mods. Modern devices can do a load of wonderful things, but basic safety still applies.

Basically, you don't want the power to be too low as the coil won't produce enough (or indeed any) vape. You don't want it too high as the liquid won't wick in fast enough and the coil will burn the cotton - this is called a dry hit and you'll KNOW if it happens!!

[peterb]

Just to make the above description technically correct..

3 volts across 1.5 ohms gives 6 watts. 3 volts into .5 ohm gives 18 watts. That is the power going into the coil.

The temperature will depend on how fast the energy is dissipated. Liquids have a vapour (or boiling point - for water it is 100C) no matter how much energy you put in, the temperature will not rise above 100C - but that extra energy will vaporise more water, but the temperature will remain constant.