A couple of military style pics (56K warning)

[yamangman]

The TSR2 was built in response to the F-111? Never knew that, I thought TSR2 plans were drawn up long before the Aardvark. Anyway, TSR2, just another example that project management is absolutely worthless, especially with the Labour government.

I think it looks nothing like the Tornado, an almost exact copy of a Jaguar perhaps, but Tornado...

[Dickie]

i wonder why they have the flag upside-down on the APC/tank/whatever 2nd from bottom...

[yamangman]

Oh, and we never did get the F-111. USA and Australia were/are the only F-111 operators.

[Stolly]

I'm not sure it was built as an answer to the F-111 as such, more it was build to do the same job.

Thank a fool of Labour defense minister called Duncan Sandys who decided that manned aircraft were obsolete and so cancelled most aircraft projects. He did more damage to the UK aircraft industry than the Luftwaffe managed in 6 years of WWII.

[shiato storm]

yes, it was in designed earlier but it never really got going, then the f111 came out...plane already being made in production etc. so tsr2 project got panned
big and heavy but tiny little wings. i wonder how it flew. had masses of thrust!

[Flibb]

F111 was 10 years late getting deployed, and still fell out the sky a lot

[nichomach]

TSR2 was late, overbudget and never put into production. However, it had a radar signature that was about the same as an F117 (yes, a stealth fighter) generates now, and on one engine could leave a Lightning dead. During the development of TSR2 the then government allowed the dev team for the F111 unfettered access to TSR2; strangely, rather a lot of the design concepts showed up later in the 'Vark.

Frankly, comparing the TSR2 to a Tornado is rather like comparing a Vanquish to an XK8.

[Skii]

However, it had a radar signature that was about the same as an F117 (yes, a stealth fighter) generates now, and on one engine could leave a Lightning dead.

I never knew that. Remarkable.

Thanks Nicho

[Tumble]

thing is - althought the wings are quite short width-wise.. they extend along a good portion of the fuselage, so there's still a lot of wing area to provide lots of nice lift

They've got one of these at RAF Cosford - the access panels by the engine on the port side are off and you can see the motor - they've also got a motor sitting on the ground next to it. You say it'd leave a lIghtning dead on one engine? I'd believe it. You would too if you saw the size of the damn thing

[yamangman]

Then again, an F-16 gold-top (as in my sig) has a radar cross not disimilar to the Nighthawk.

Like I said project management, never works, especially in aviation.

[nichomach]

I never knew that. Remarkable.

Thanks Nicho

They flew the TSR2 from one BAE plant to another with a Lightning "chase plane". They only flew it one one engine in order to avoid overtaxing the airframe. On one engine, the pilot put it into reheat. Ahem. The Lightning caught up...eventually.

[nichomach]

Then again, an F-16 gold-top (as in my sig) has a radar cross not disimilar to the Nighthawk.

Like I said project management, never works, especially in aviation.

BAD project management'll kill any project.

Beamont soon decided that XR219 was ready to continue its flight test programme at Warton while XR220 would be brought to Boscombe. Flight 14 was XR219's trip to Warton, during which it went supersonic for the first and only time. TSR.2's performance was shown to good effect on this flight; when Beamont engaged reheat on a single engine, the chase aircraft (a Lightning T.5, a mach 2 aircraft and certainly no slouch) was left behind despite engaging reheat on both of its engines!

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[yamangman]

Thats the problem, project management is consistantly bad, if it's consistantly bad, what's the point in it to be honest.