Todays society - snowflakes

[scaryjim]

... They can be as offended as they like, doesn't mean I have to apologise to them for it. ...

... Offence is always taken, never given. ...


... that's what the offended little snowflakes forget. ...

I just ... I ...

Yeah, thanks.

[scaryjim]

I just ... I ...

Yeah, thanks.

OK, I probably need to add to this, and I'm doing it by reply because this is almost bound to cross-post with someone.

You are responsible for your actions. If you offend someone, it's on you.*

You are, of course, perfectly entitled to not care that you offended someone. But that's also on you, and people will judge you for your actions.

Either you want to offend people, or you don't want to offend people. If you don't want to offend people, the only way to do that is to listen to people if they say you offended them. If you do want to offend people ... *shrug* I don't know - I can't imagine why anyone would want to offend people. But, you know, you do you. Just don't expect people not to judge you for it.

*EDIT: to be fair, their reaction is on them. But that doesn't remove your responsibility for your own actions.

[Macman]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43027764

Oh and apparently someone/more than one person have taken offense to Tesco Trolleys, something to do with gender? (Not 100% sure)

I'll leave this here.

[kalniel]

OK, but isn't it generalising too much to say that because there an extreme example, society as a whole has gone too far? People causing and being offended is nothing new.

[Zak33]

this is a perfect debate about Personality and Behaviour (aso known as Traits vs Behaviour)

Your personality is who you are.. and takes a very long time to change... to slowly adapt to your life

Behaviour is simply how you behave.


Your persnaility can be kind abnd generous, warm and caring.. but you can still behave rudely and with callous disregard if you choose too.

Macman chooses to behave like a wooden spoon and then a high speed escape car

[Macman]

OK, but isn't it generalising too much to say that because there an extreme example, society as a whole has gone too far? People causing and being offended is nothing new.

Yes - people being offended is nothing new.

But to the extent of what is being deemed as offensive is becoming a joke.

[Macman]

Macman chooses to behave like a wooden spoon and then a high speed escape car

I find it offensive you used me as an example...

[peterb]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43027764

Oh and apparently someone/more than one person have taken offense to Tesco Trolleys, something to do with gender? (Not 100% sure)

I'll leave this here.

Just read the story - seems more people are outraged by the complaint than the content of the film!

I find it offensive you used me as an example...

Nah, take is a complement - the example could have been a LOT worse!

[Zak33]

I find it offensive you used me as an example...

splendid Macman

my work here is done...

(I dare not call you a snowflake for fear of being termed a name-Nazi so I shall instead call you Macman, though first I shall ask if that's ok, becaue it might be something you no longer like or use)

[scaryjim]

... the extent of what is being deemed as offensive is becoming a joke.

I don't think it's changed, tbh - I think people are just more willing to call out offensive behaviour now; particularly people from previously marginalised or oppressed demographics. What we have now is the internet. If you're offended by something it's probably not too hard to find a number of people who agree with you. That support gives people the courage to stand up and say something.

History is littered with behaviours that were once considered normal and acceptable and now are almost universally considered vulgar. Why is that? Because people eventually stood up and said "no, this isn't right". And I don't think that's necessarily happening that much more now ... but it is a lot easier to find out about it when it does happen.

[Zak33]

And I don't think that's necessarily happening that much more now ... but it is a lot easier to find out about it when it does happen.

that's an incisive statement.. that is on point.

if I sneeze wrong and it gets papped I'm on Arsebook within 16 seconds AND Fake news within 23 seconds.

global in seconds


//roll out the Churchill quote

A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.

now applies to absolutely anything that might gain a click or two- trith, lie, half truth...anything

[Zak33]

I find it offensive you used me as an example...

gotta ask....Are you offended?

I'll not sleep unless I KNOW I got right up your nose......

please be offended.....

[Macman]

splendid Macman

my work here is done...

(I dare not call you a snowflake for fear of being termed a name-Nazi so I shall instead call you Macman, though first I shall ask if that's ok, becaue it might be something you no longer like or use)

Now I need to get in touch with the army of 'no win no fee' lawyers to see if I can whip up some compo from being offended.

[Macman]

I don't think it's changed, tbh - I think people are just more willing to call out offensive behaviour now; particularly people from previously marginalised or oppressed demographics. What we have now is the internet. If you're offended by something it's probably not too hard to find a number of people who agree with you. That support gives people the courage to stand up and say something.

History is littered with behaviours that were once considered normal and acceptable and now are almost universally considered vulgar. Why is that? Because people eventually stood up and said "no, this isn't right". And I don't think that's necessarily happening that much more now ... but it is a lot easier to find out about it when it does happen.

Makes sense.

[spacein_vader]

For how long in your 26 years have you had access to a fridge, a computer, a microwave, four or more TV channels?

That cuts both ways depending on who picks the measures. For how long in his 26 years has that poster had access to a final salary pension scheme, rents that are less than 50% of average income or house prices less than 4 times average annual earnings?
Given how much more impact the above have than owning a microwave or multiple TV channels I know which I'd opt for given the choice.

Generally those being referred to as snowflakes are white and young.

Generally those referring to people as snowflakes are white, older, male and heterosexual.

They can be as offended as they like, doesn't mean I have to apologise to them for it. I don't ever expect anyone to apologise for offending me and I rarely find they do anyway.

They rarely offend you or rarely apologise for doing so?

[Ttaskmaster]

You are responsible for your actions. If you offend someone, it's on you.

Yep, and I'll happily own it right up until the day they start taxing it.
But so what?
I get offended almost every day I drive, yet I don't expect an apology any more than I'd expect one from someone playing offensive music in public, or from someone cooking/eating stinking food on the high street, or from people with kids that scream in public.

Who cares - It's just my opinion. You don't have to live your life by what I think... and I wouldn't advise it anyway. But so too do I not think I have to live my life by whatever someone else personally may or may not find offensive.

But that's also on you, and people will judge you for your actions.

Big whoop - People do that anyway, even if I'm NOT offending anyone.... including getting offended when the way I choose to live my life is not how they choose to live theirs, in which case they can [offensive remark] off and go be offended elsewhere.

I was raised to try (operative word, there) and look past people's offensive qualities, to see them as complete people. If I bleated about offence the way some people do, I'd have no friends and no-one would talk to me twice for fear of offending me.

If you don't want to offend people, the only way to do that is to listen to people if they say you offended them.

And I do... But I don't always recognise the validity or impact of that perceived offence, can often argue it down as they so frequently jump the gun on getting offended, and do most commonly find they're getting offended for the sake of getting offended or as a pretext for just kicking off over some other reason that has nothing to do with me in the first place.

Certainly I'm not afraid of causing offence, though, which is what this snowflake pandering would have us doing if we continue to sit patiently and hear every stupid "I'm offended" bleat going.

I regularly have arguments with people because I'm offending Palestinians and approriating their culture by wearing a Keffiyeh.... which is also looked upon with favour by some groups of Arabic origin, because it's really a Shemagh... which is the same thing, basically. Meanwhile, Jayda Fransen was offended, not that I called her a [instant Banhammer word], but that I was wearing "a Muslim head scarf"... but I don't think anyone cares if I offend her, right?

I find it offensive you used me as an example...

I find it offensive that you have not made your example using a group people that are proportionally representative of all races, colours, religions, genders, sexualities and ages present on the forum!!