What would "No Deal" mean for you?

[wazzickle]

Standard - you share a viewpoint with them, so while you're happy to dissociate from them, you haven't once in any way condemned them. All you do is explain their point of view, and compare it to the rather vague 'direct action' which does not in any way imply threats of physical violence or calling someone a nazi. When JRMs children were targeted, anyone on the left worth their salt said something along the lines of 'this behaviour is intolerable and i condemn it in the strongest possible terms'. the fact that brexiteers are not doing so, but rather explaining why these people think the way they do and taking the opportunity to say 'but you do the same thing too!' is evidence of the moral turpitude of so many on the right.

[wazzickle]

It literally takes a stabbing for some people to say 'ok maybe that's the line'

[Corky34]

I'm sure Saracen999 can speak for himself but that's not what i took away from what he posted, sure it may err on the side of blaming the left-wing more than the right-wing but i suspect, not having read any research on the matter, that maybe down to partisan confirmation bias from both myself and Saracen999.

[Ttaskmaster]

you haven't once in any way condemned them.

What on earth would that achieve?
I often hear of public figures being slammed for not speaking those words... they're just words. Nothing more. Words don't actually do anything to change things like this. In fact, the more people who come out and effectively say "Oh... yeah... Down with this sort of thing", the more trite and toothless they make it sound.

anyone on the left worth their salt said something along the lines of 'this behaviour is intolerable and i condemn it in the strongest possible terms'.

Did they all bleat about, making sure they were seen to be disagreeing? Did they look better because of it?

Did any of them get off their backsides and actually do something?
Did they even write a strongly worded letter of complaint to the Daily Fail?

evidence of the moral turpitude of so many on the right.

Isn't that US law only?
I consider myself pretty right wing and a Remoaner, but you can bet I'd not need words of virtue signalling to express my disapproval.

[Saracen999]

Standard - you share a viewpoint with them, so while you're happy to dissociate from them, you haven't once in any way condemned them. All you do is explain their point of view, and compare it to the rather vague 'direct action' which does not in any way imply threats of physical violence or calling someone a nazi. When JRMs children were targeted, anyone on the left worth their salt said something along the lines of 'this behaviour is intolerable and i condemn it in the strongest possible terms'. the fact that brexiteers are not doing so, but rather explaining why these people think the way they do and taking the opportunity to say 'but you do the same thing too!' is evidence of the moral turpitude of so many on the right.

What part of

As someone that has no fear of No Deal, I DO NOT condone physical assault, violeence or in-yer-face intimidation, and those muppets certainly don't spsak for me, any more than Joe Cox's killer did.

did you miss?

As a brexiteer, I don't think it could have been much cleater.

Idiots are idiots whatever polutical ideology they're from, but tje fact remains that, as per John McDonnell, "non-violent direct action" is a right. And the line between what is and is not acceptable is where the law draws it.

The problem is, some muppets don't know where to draw it, and cross it WAY to far. Jo Cox's murder is one example of outrageous crossing of the line, but dropping concrete blicks off motorway overhangs and killjng a taxi driver dufing the miner's strike is another.

Such harrassment of Soubry is wrong, but so is the disgraceful way Farage has been treated. Neither wrong justifies the other, but also, neither left nor right, nor remainers or brexiteers, have a monopoly on muppets, idiots and morons. There's nothing new in harrassment though, as many picket lines in the 60s and 70s demonstrated.

[Saracen999]

Oh, and as for "calling someone a nazi" being so bad, you have no idea how many times I've been called that, usually for enforcing forum rules (occasionally here, but more often in my OcUK Don days), but also apparrently because being in favour of leaving the EU means I must be a radical right-wing nut job, and therefore not only a nazi, but a little Englander, a racist, a xenophobe and a myriad of others.

For the record I don't remember anyone on THIS forum sayjng that, but it's a not-uncommon refrain on some others, including some I no longer visit.

[OilSheikh]

Oh, and as for "calling someone a naxi" being so bad, you have no idea how many times I've been called that, usually for enforcing forum rules (occasionally here, but more often in my OcUK Don days), but also apparrently because being in favour of leaving the EU means I must be a radical right-wing nut job, and therefore not only a nazi, but a little Englander, a racist, a xenophobe and a myriad of others.

For the record I don't remember anyone on THIS forum sayjng that, but it's a not-uncommon refrain on some others, including some I no longer visit.

Don't forget the lazy benefit scrounger & elderly tag also given to us Brexiteers.

[kalniel]

Don't forget the lazy benefit scrounger & elderly tag also given to us Brexiteers.

I've never heard of a brexiter being called a lazy benefit scrounger. Where did you hear that??

[wazzickle]

As someone that has no fear of No Deal, I DO NOT condone physical assault, violeence or in-yer-face intimidation, and those muppets certainly don't spsak for me, any more than Joe Cox's killer did.

That at best the 3rd stupid cousin, once removed, of a 'meaningful' condemnation. At least get her name right.

[Zak33]

That at best the 3rd stupid cousin, once removed, of a 'meaningful' condemnation. At least get her name right.

woah big boy.. wind yer neck in please.

Saracen999 simply typed the late Jo Cox's name wrong - he fully knows the correct spelling is Jo - see here
https://forums.hexus.net/general-dis...ml#post4056293

So... please bear in mind Saracen999's typing is sometimes fractionally out as he has a few eye ball issues. Mine is as bad on many occassions.

no disrespect or any sort, in any format, framed in any certain or uncertain way, was intended toward the late Jo Cox by typing her name with an E.

[jimborae]

So, very large numbers of people have been brewing resentments over this for years if not decades, and recent changes in communications, social media, etc, allow them to coalesce, even to arganise, in ways not possible a few years ago.

Not totally sure I'd agree with all of that, back in my student days in the late 80's, early 90's we managed get 1000's out in London to protest against the BNP & National Front. No Twatter or Facebook or mobile phones back then. Seems like its the same sort of idiots now as it was back then. Sure, our ranks also got infiltrated by far left anarchists etc. but most of the time we managed to disassociate ourselves from those who's only objective was to cause mayhem (including the Met Police who had their own agenda).

[wazzickle]

Saracen999 simply typed the late Jo Cox's name wrong - he fully knows the correct spelling is Jo - see here
https://forums.hexus.net/general-dis...ml#post4056293

So.... he knows better, but in this instance he was careless?

[Zak33]

So.... he knows better, but in this instance he was careless?

yup I certainly think it was an error, as he's typed it correctly elsewhere

[Ttaskmaster]

and therefore not only a nazi, but a little Englander

That's just outright ignorance... everyone knows the proper term is 'dirteh wee sassenach'!!

So.... he knows better, but in this instance he was careless?

Nah, he just knows we all speak Saracen on this forum, so it's not a worry.

[TheAnimus]

No Deal for me means giving a platform to these idiots and scum.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-pol...mp-anna-soubry

I've seen a lot of the footage banging around twitter and it makes me sick. Police, until today, effectively ignoring it till media pressure and the court of public opinion means they have to be seen doing something.

Did we learn nothing from the death of poor Jo Cox.

Sorry but this is utterly awful, and I don't mean just for Soubry. I mean how you are portraying this.

People have ignored harassment and violence because they don't like the people who are the victims.

The fact is this is nothing on the scale of harassment that say Farage has been suffering for years. I'm a remainer but I don't believe in threatening violence or harassing others to come round to my viewpoint, yet suddenly it happens to Soubry and it's front page news, this bias is shockingly transparent.

https://metro.co.uk/2015/03/22/nigel...lunch-5115816/ almost 4 years ago.

Dozens of demonstrators initially went into the George & Dragon, where Mr Farage has previously been pictured having a drink, before realising he was in the other pub nearby. They are said to have gone into the Queen’s Head, causing Mr Farage to leave the pub and they jumped on his car bonnet as he drove away. He is believed to have become separated from his children when they fled in fear as the protest started.

Mr Farage said afterwards: ‘I hope these “demonstrators” are proud of themselves. My children were so scared by their behaviour that they ran away to hide. ‘At the time of writing this a relative has gone to look for them, and they are not yet at home. These people are scum.’ Mr Farage’s children with current wife Kirsten are Victoria and Isabelle, thought to be aged 15 and 10 respectively. He also has two grown up children from his previous marriage.

People have been turning a blind eye to harassment on the brexit front for years because they don't like the people being harassed. How anyone in Labour can keep a straight face when we've McDonnell in the shadow front bench on this matter is mind boggling to me.

[ik9000]

where Mr Farage has previously been pictured having a drink, before realising he was in the other pub nearby. They are said to have gone into the Queen’s Head, causing Mr Farage to leave the pub and they jumped on his car bonnet as he drove away.

Interesting... who drove and what had they been drinking? A drink in two different pubs?