Election Results as they happen...

[TeePee]

'Conservative voters are, like, so stupid...'

I'm sure you'll be blaming the media next, then Russia....

[Top_gun]

'Conservative voters are, like, so stupid...'

I'm sure you'll be blaming the media next, then Russia....

Well most of the media are owned by billionaires and affiliated to the Tory Party.

Also, it is well known Russian Oligarchs contribute to the Tory coffers. Doesn't take too much research. Anyone for tennis?

Johnson: £160k tennis match did take place

[Saracen999]

@Saracen

Sounds as though you are completely rattled with an attempt to put words into my mouth.

First of all I never ever said Londoners were an homogeneous group of people.

Secondly, all I can see in your post is a classic attempt at a strawman argument in an attempt to elevate your point which to me just equates to nothingness.

Thirdly, we've seen the Tories getting their best ever result in the election since Margaret Thatcher yet had not made a single headway in London. Still waiting for your answer. Again lacking in your post. I mean, if the Tories were fantastic as you make out them to be then surely they would have taken London by storm. The reality is the Tories, like what they have done with Brexit, preyed on the poor uneducated people, with nothing more than catchy slogans and racial connotations.

The reality, is that us sophisticated Londoners see through the Tory lie machine elections after elections.

Again, as I expect from you, utter drivel.

Like "Brexiteers", you keep refering to "Londoners" as this, or that. Like "sophisticated", o educationally superior. Not "some" Londoners, or "some" Brexiteers, when labelling them as racist. You are therefore referring to them as homogenous group.

Second, if all you can see is atraw-man arguments, then I'll repeat my previous point - none so blind as those that will not see.

Third, if you think I think the Tories are "fantastic" then you either haven't read what I've said, or have applied your usual blinkers. As far as I'm concerned, the Tories one saving grace is that the alternative was Corbyn. That's like saying I want to be kicked in the balls because the only alternative is having both legs and arms broken.

Haven't made a single headway in London? I gave you one already. But you dismissed it as a tiny majority. And it is. But what on earth makes you think I'm going to waste my time trying to provide evidence you might accept when your London-centric view is so bigotted you look down on the rest of the country as either too unsophisticated to ill-educated to be able to see through Tory bull-manure when you yourself are unable to see through Corbynistic bull-manure.

Besides, I don't recall you ever asking me. If you had, I might have enligtened your overly-sophisticated and, obviously, superbly educated self.

Now? Why would I waste my time? That's rhetorical, by the way.

And as for "rattled" .... by you? Ever considered a career ... as a stand-up comedian? You really do have a high opinion of yourself, don't you?

[Top_gun]

@Saracen

You seemed rattled enough to give a reply.

As for your enlightenment, I can read the same stuff in the Telegraph thank you very much.

Anyway, I don't mix much with the Labour Party. So all this tribal politics doesn't do much for me though I do find the Labour policies more sincere than the Tory's and their economic policies more advanced than the Tory's. Despite this, I'm more of a fan of the New Economics Foundation Think Tank. Neither Tory or Labour but actually Green. Met the NEF in person seven years ago and have a great deal of respect for then unlike those lying toe rags called Tories.

ETA: Don't bother to force that Tory nonsense, in the pocket of Putin, lying Boris Johnson, fabricated economic policies, class war, stoking up EU racism, etc down my throat.

[g8ina]

top_gun, saracen, both of you calm it down and leave off the direct insults.

[spacein_vader]

The reality, is that us sophisticated Londoners see through the Tory lie machine elections after elections.

They elected Conservative candidate Boris Johnson as their mayor.

Twice.

[Top_gun]

They elected Conservative candidate Boris Johnson as their mayor.

Twice.

Yeah, he won it through mud slinging and the fact that Ken Livingstone already had two terms as Mayor that people felt it was a time for change. Even so, the results were quite close. Boris took credit for many of Livingstone's policies for example the Boris bike.

Still, we have a London Mayor from Labour who smashed the Tory candidate in the last election.

[AC81]

I'm not too enthused by Boris as boss....
Saracens analogy of taking a kick in the balls instead of a broken leg seems to fit well.

But, i'm pleased it wasn't corbyn. And i'm pleased that we will finally move on with Brexit. And a government with a strong majority in parliament will at least be a stable government, and a stable government for a good 5 years while we transition out of the EU.

The best thing that can happen out of all of this, is that labour have a top down re-think and return to the center ground. If they don't, it doesn't really matter how bad the tories are. They'll never get elected again. Especially as they can't rely on the Scotish vote anymore.
Only then can they get enough support to be a credible opposition, and a credible alternative next time around.

[Top_gun]

Ex-Labour Ipswich MP Sandy Martin takes aim at 'Tory lies'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-eng...es-aim-at-lies

[spacein_vader]

Yeah, he won it through mud slinging and the fact that Ken Livingstone already had two terms as Mayor that people felt it was a time for change.

And his second term? Struggle to pin that on Ken & time for a change.

[AC81]

Ex-Labour Ipswich MP Sandy Martin takes aim at 'Tory lies'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-eng...es-aim-at-lies

Of course though, he is wrong.

Lying isn't the only way you can win an election in the UK. You could also just run against Corbyn.... ;-)

Alot of Labour MPs were suggesting on election night that thier biggest stumbling block on the doorstep while campaigning. Wasn't Boris, or Brexit, but Corbyn.
People really didn't like him and couldn't bring themselves to vote for him. And that's from previously stongly held labour seats. Not labour members campaigning in strong tory seats.
And you've also got number of labour members leave the party in the build up in the row over anti semitism. One even advising people to vote for Boris. (Ian Austin, who may have been a bit of a nobdy before, but he sure did the rounds on TV afterwards)

The Labour party backed a candidate that could never count on support from outside labours own members, and was clearly split internally while suffereing from inaction with anti semitism. Labour basically hit the self destruct. They were never a credible alternative. And that wasn't good for anyone.

[Top_gun]

And his second term? Struggle to pin that on Ken & time for a change.

It is the same candidate and a re-run of the 2008 campaign. If Labour had fielded an entirely different candidate I very much doubt Boris would have a second term.

For the 2008 & 2012 elections, it's a case of Tory over achieving and Labour under achieving.

[spacein_vader]

For the 2008 & 2012 elections, it's a case of Tory over achieving and Labour under achieving.

The same is true of this election I feel, as well as a lot of people voting for Boris many of them were voting against Corbyn. I can't take the credit for this line but it may be the first time a party has lost an election by having too much Momentum rather than not enough.

We can only hope the next Labour leader is closer to Blair than Corbyn or Foot in their policies then Labour will once again provide a credible alternative. Governments are most effective with a strong opposition holding them to account, something that we'll need over the next 5 years.

[Top_gun]

Of course though, he is wrong.

Of course, if you accept what's gospel from a very bias media.

However, if you truly understand politics and able to get information from independent sources then you realise Tories are just a pure lying machine not fit to run the country.

It's quite amazing how the media didn't give the same amount of exposure for Boris history of telling lies, expelling Tory MPs if they didn't follow the party whip on Brexit, cases of Islamphobia, plenty of his own party members questioning his leadership qualities, etc.

[AC81]

Of course, if you accept what's gospel from a very bias media.

The idea that 'Corbyn' was the problem, didn't come from the bias media. It came from Labour party members, and more than one. Being interviewed on the night.
You can't suggest that the opinion you posted from one labour party member is more credable that interviews with a number of them can you?

[Top_gun]

The idea that 'Corbyn' was the problem, didn't come from the bias media. It came from Labour party members, and more than one. Being interviewed on the night.
You can't suggest that the opinion you posted from one labour party member is more credable that interviews with a number of them can you?

Boris Johnson had his critics too. The difference is the media underplayed it.