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    Quote Originally Posted by Zak33 View Post
    You missed the point.

    Entirely.. it went right over your head and shot off across the London boroughs of Labour heart land.
    I though your point was pretty much irrelevant in the scheme of things. I guess you were clutching at straws that some how your argument would trump mine.

    Just which part of the world do you live in?

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    Re: Election Results as they happen...

    Quote Originally Posted by [GSV]Trig View Post
    So, given BoJo's now started to change laws and the likes, anyone worried about him changing things to make it harder to stop him moving forward?
    Which is what any new PM does, given a large majority. Look at Blair post-97, or Thatcher post-79.

    It's what people expect. Give a PM a mandate to change things and .... they change things. Wouldn't be much point in a new PM or new government if they didn't.

    But it depends on what you mean by "harder to stop him". Bear in mind, no Parluament can bind successor Parliaments, so if he does things the next parluament doesn't like, they can change them. New laws created? Amend or repeal them.

    That, by the way, is part of the "sovereignty" argument over the EU. Parliament can repeal laws, but it's a different process to get out of international treaties, depending on the provisions of that treaty. Getting out of them can only be done either by using whatever exit clauses like article 50) exit, or by unilaterally breaking the treaty. We could, for instance, simply have repealed the legislation that made us part of the EU. That is within Parliament's authority (if you can get it through). But it would really be a monumentally damaging thing to do, because it would establish the precedent fir the UK being willing to break treaties. What message would that sent others about them relying on other treaties with us, or to those considering treaties.


    But you ask about him changing laws that change things going forward? You have seen Corbyn's manifesto and agenda, I presume? That is a list of changing laws that seriously worried me, going forward. Sufficiently so to have already made arrangements to put things out of his reach, and preparations to leave the country if he got elected.

    Does BoJo worry me? Yeah. But about 5% of how Corbyn/McDonnell worried me so, all told, and given that FPTP gave us a binary choice, no, I'm content as a worm in dirt about Boris.
    A lesson learned from PeterB about dignity in adversity, so Peter, In Memorium, "Onwards and Upwards".

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    Re: Election Results as they happen...

    The real one...
    If Wisdom is the coordination of "knowledge and experience" and its deliberate use to improve well being then how come "Ignorance is bliss"

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    Re: Election Results as they happen...

    Quote Originally Posted by Top_gun View Post
    I though your point was pretty much irrelevant in the scheme of things. I guess you were clutching at straws that some how your argument would trump mine.

    Just which part of the world do you live in?
    and again... straight over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zak33 View Post
    and again... straight over.
    The bit where you play the confidence trick. I'm afraid it's not working.

    As for food, the UK actually imports 50% of it. But yeah, please pretend that some how the sticks sustain and subsidise London.

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    Re: Election Results as they happen...

    Quote Originally Posted by Zak33 View Post
    If the energy supply was cut to the UK and all the food shipments stopped coming to the UK.. I suggest to you that it's the least educated city, disconnected from rural life, farming, food production, physical labour, weather, climate, or anything that actually sustains the human population.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top_gun View Post

    As for food, the UK actually imports 50% of it. But yeah, please pretend that some how the sticks sustain and subsidise London.
    50% of the food is imported, you say?

    oh yes.. that's right it is.....

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    Re: Election Results as they happen...

    Quote Originally Posted by Top_gun View Post
    Clearly making stuff up to make as look you know something isn't enough to convince me.
    How am I making any of that up? It happened. All of it. Feel free to Google it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Top_gun View Post
    At the end of the day London generates 22 per cent of the UK's GDP. FACT.
    London generates 25 per cent of the UK's taxes. FACT.
    Most of those working in London and generating all that are not actually Londoners themselves, but commuters who live (and vote) outside of London.

    Quote Originally Posted by Top_gun View Post
    You mean glorified call centres.
    This is Reading Area we're talking about, not Mumbai or Bradford. And no, Slough is the preferred location for call centres due to the superior comms infrastructure.

    Quote Originally Posted by Top_gun View Post
    That may be indicative of you than a normal graduate in London.
    Actually it was a complaint from graduates who were peeved that they'd wasted all that time getting degrees only to be turned down for jobs, to which they felt they were entitled on the basis of having a degree, because they didn't have any practical experience.
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    Re: Election Results as they happen...

    I think that PC-LAD's quote, that Ttaskmaster uses as his sig is spot on

    Tasky is right

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    Re: Election Results as they happen...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster View Post
    How am I making any of that up? It happened. All of it. Feel free to Google it.
    I don't doubt some of these things has happened. But to use them to support your case is purely a case of fiction rather than hard direct evidence.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster View Post
    This is Reading Area we're talking about, not Mumbai or Bradford. And no, Slough is the preferred location for call centres due to the superior comms infrastructure.
    You don't need superior comms infrastructure for call centres. Mumbai had functioned fine without it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster View Post
    Actually it was a complaint from graduates who were peeved that they'd wasted all that time getting degrees only to be turned down for jobs, to which they felt they were entitled on the basis of having a degree, because they didn't have any practical experience.
    Could be a host of reasons from discrimination, choosing the boys from the old school network, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zak33 View Post
    I think that PC-LAD's quote, that Ttaskmaster uses as his sig is spot on

    Tasky is right
    Based on what? It's not as if you have a huge understanding on London and its politics.

    I can see right through Tasky.

    Still Zak, you haven't revealed which area you live and this probably as a huge influence on your political direction.

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    Re: Election Results as they happen...

    Quote Originally Posted by Top_gun View Post
    Based on what? It's not as if you have a huge understanding on London and its politics.
    Well at least you have something in common. You are aware politics isn't an arena with a singular right answer aren't you? The arguments, positions and issues of the day change, as do the priorities of the electorate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spacein_vader View Post
    Well at least you have something in common. You are aware politics isn't an arena with a singular right answer aren't you? The arguments, positions and issues of the day change, as do the priorities of the electorate.
    I think I'm going to have fun here analysing stats for the northern constituencies.

    Sorry spacein_vader, no amount of your fantasy facts is enough to defeat hard facts based on real evidence.

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    Could be a host of reasons from discrimination, choosing the boys from the old school network, etc.
    Thanks, I needed a laugh! The idea that non graduates have an old school network. That's why you can't get a job, it's the Bulmershe Secondary secret handshake

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    Re: Election Results as they happen...

    Quote Originally Posted by Top_gun View Post
    I don't doubt some of these things has happened. But to use them to support your case is purely a case of fiction rather than hard direct evidence.
    Which is why I really wish Labour had won. Then you'd be singing a different tune... well, whining and crying it, more likely...
    People who have experienced and suffered under Labour did not vote for Labour, and you think it's nothing to do with their suffering??!! Exactly what is your degree in, again?

    But anyway - Hard evidence. Go on, then - Prove to me how being a Londoner and/or a graduate in any way gives you insight (not even greater, just any insight) into why people did not vote Labour.
    Bearing in mind many people outside of London are graduates themselves, especially those who are professors of various things so clearly know more than even graduates, yet still voted Conservative....
    Every single one of our nice smart graduates (some of whom are Londoners) voted Conservative. They recognised that Labour in power would destroy our industry and seriously damage our nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Top_gun View Post
    You don't need superior comms infrastructure for call centres. Mumbai had functioned fine without it.
    No, but when given the choice between the 'reasonable' Reading network and 'wonderful brand new with latest technology' Slough one... which one are you gonna choose?
    People put HQs and function facilities in Reading, along with CoOs because of the transport connectivity. Call Centres go to Slough.

    Quote Originally Posted by Top_gun View Post
    Could be a host of reasons from discrimination, choosing the boys from the old school network, etc.
    Could be, theoretically, but since the greater part of the interview and selection process was a series of practical tests, which anyone relying solely on degree education will fail, my original assertion still stands... because they didn't care about theoretical education beyond the understanding it gave you - They needed someone who understood the job and could actually do the job.
    Think of it as being a surgeon. You might know Grey's Anatomy inside and out... but if your hands aren't steady enough to make the cut, you don't get the job.

    Quote Originally Posted by Top_gun View Post
    Based on what? It's not as if you have a huge understanding on London and its politics.
    Based on the fact that you are talking absolute [CENSORED]!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Top_gun View Post
    I can see right through Tasky.
    That's because it's not me you're looking at. If you can even see me in the first place, it's already too late....

    Quote Originally Posted by Top_gun View Post
    Still Zak, you haven't revealed which area you live and this probably as a huge influence on your political direction.
    Not as much as you might think.
    A lot of people still voted for who they thought was the best candidate for their area, not for which party they wanted in No 10.
    I went against my own political direction to do the same thing.
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    Re: Election Results as they happen...

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    Thanks, I needed a laugh! The idea that non graduates have an old school network. That's why you can't get a job, it's the Bulmershe Secondary secret handshake
    Ah come on, you know what I mean, can't be bother to argue over semantics.

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    Re: Election Results as they happen...

    Quote Originally Posted by Top_gun View Post
    I think I'm going to have fun here analysing stats for the northern constituencies.

    Sorry spacein_vader, no amount of your fantasy facts is enough to defeat hard facts based on real evidence.
    I'm out. Nothing is going to move you from your current world view so I give up.

    I sincerely hope one day you realise that there is life outside the M25. In some ways it's better, in other ways it's worse but to say it's opinion is invalid because it didn't vote the same way you did shows a mind-blowing lack of self awareness.

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