Climate Change Model - take part!

[poindextermatic]

Take a look and take part:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/hottopics/cl...eriment1.shtml

[badass]

Take a look and take part:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/hottopics/cl...eriment1.shtml

Complete waste of cpu cycles on Pseudo science.
Better spend on the UD cure for cancer search. At least thats not a load of political hot air with no proper evidence to back it up.

[kalniel]

er the point of the experiement is to try and generate the evidence, so we can lay to rest any political bull on either side.

And it's one of the more intensive projects out there, so quite worthy of distributed computing. Folding and gene searches are well and good, but they aren't likely to generate anything that other methods aren't going to find in the near future anyway.

[badass]

er the point of the experiement is to try and generate the evidence, so we can lay to rest any political bull on either side.

The fact you say "generate evidence" sums it up perfectly, really.
Thats what the global warming theory is all about.

[behappier]

I actually watched the program on the BBC after reading the book "State of Fear" from Michael Crichton and I thought that the program was reasonably objective if not entirely and was not playing on a doomsday scenario. Will give a go at this trial when I get a cpu back from Scan.

[Stoo]

The fact you say "generate evidence" sums it up perfectly, really.
Thats what the global warming theory is all about.

In other news, the world is flat and the moon is made of cheese

I would hardly call these sort of prediction models "pseudo science", the exact same process was used in modelling nuclear reactions, fluid dynamics, with extremely powerful supercomputers.

It's just our weather system is a whole lot harder to build an accurate model due to the sheer amount of data that needs to be processed in order to be able to spot the patterns and hone the system to be more and more accurate.

It's similar to building an advanced AI routine, the more iterations you can run, the more accurate the system will be, hence why the distributed computing model is absolutely ideal for this purpose.

[Trippledence]

I also thing cancer reaseach is much better use of CPU cycles, also the Folding client is very well written imo.

http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/m...&teamnum=43461

^^ Link to the folding team I am in, feel free to join.

And the blurb for more info.

What is protein folding and how is folding linked to disease? Proteins are biology's workhorses -- its "nanomachines." Before proteins can carry out these important functions, they assemble themselves, or "fold." The process of protein folding, while critical and fundamental to virtually all of biology, in many ways remains a mystery.

Moreover, when proteins do not fold correctly (i.e. "misfold"), there can be serious consequences, including many well known diseases, such as Alzheimer's, Mad Cow (BSE), CJD, ALS, Huntington's, Parkinson's disease, and many Cancers and cancer-related syndromes.

[poindextermatic]

Complete waste of cpu cycles on Pseudo science.
Better spend on the UD cure for cancer search. At least thats not a load of political bull**** with no proper evidence to back it up.

How is it " Pseudo " in any way?

I think its a really good idea.

[nvening]

Global warming IS happening and we have the evidence to proove it. Whether or not the greenhouse effect is reponsible is not known. This model is simply predicting climate change using different sets of data. It starts at about 1920 and carrys on. Because we know the data between 1920 and now we can learn which sets of original data are correct and then run future models to predict climate change.

[DaBeeeenster]

Complete waste of cpu cycles on Pseudo science.
Better spend on the UD cure for cancer search. At least thats not a load of political bull**** with no proper evidence to back it up.

Dear oh dear. Luddites anonymous here we come...

[Rave]

Complete waste of cpu cycles on Pseudo science.
Better spend on the UD cure for cancer search. At least thats not a load of political bull**** with no proper evidence to back it up.

Yeah, but we've been there and done that with a program that's an order of magnitude or two more efficient than LigandSh1t- and which found laboratory proven cancer inhibitors nearly three years ago. Feel free to bump up your electricity bills leaving your computers on 24/7 if you must, but you'll not be breaking any new ground.

[yamangman]

The fact is, running a whole range of simulated tests and taking a mean average is not good evidence, and the range is quite extraordinary.

[badass]

Here we go again. All kind of accusations for going against the status quo. Like like Galileo and Copernicus got when they challenged it.

PS people just because the papers keep telling you something doesn't make it true.

P.S. The accusation of being a luddute is so far off the mark its just funny.
I work in an IT department and have introdiced more new technology to it in the first 6 months I was here than the rest had in the past 2 years and we are seeing real benefits from it.
Untill any of you gullible Pro Global warming caused by man people actually provide real evidence, yopu will simply be showing how gullible you are.

[badass]

Yeah, but we've been there and done that with a program that's an order of magnitude or two more efficient than LigandSh1t- and which found laboratory proven cancer inhibitors nearly three years ago. Feel free to bump up your electricity bills leaving your computers on 24/7 if you must, but you'll not be breaking any new ground.

So I should take your word for it should I? The word of a person so messed up in the head that he's angry at his parents for being rich and providing him with a head start in life that he's packed a decent job in so he can feel like he's done a "hard days work" as a bus driver
Think I'll pass on that.

[kalniel]

The fact is, running a whole range of simulated tests and taking a mean average is not good evidence, and the range is quite extraordinary.

Modelling does not work by taking a mean average.. what a strange idea!

There are tons of variable factors when trying to predict climate change and weather systems, and many different mathematical models that simulate various aspects that are just one part of the total system. Climate change simply runs lots of different models, with different factors and aims to find the models which most closely match the observed data. That's how modelling works.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/hottopics/cl...eriment1.shtml

Protein folding/ligand docking works on different principles as we already have well established models for the calculation of the free energy of a protein/binding energy of a ligand. We just need time to evaluate it (run it) for all possible confirmations and/or ligand/receptor combinations. However there is quite a lot of contention about the value of this work given so many drugs are found through wet experiements anyway, and regarding folding we still have a lot to learn as biology doesn't use a blunt brute force approach. Therefore IMO the climate prediction modelling is more valuable as it cannot be replaced by other means.

Of course, the BIONC client is quite smart these days, and should basically only be taking up spare cycles on your computer when it is on anyway, reducing the impact any calculations would have on your electricity bill.

[Rave]

So I should take your word for it should I? The word of a person so messed up in the head that he's angry at his parents for being rich and providing him with a head start in life that he's packed a decent job in so he can feel like he's done a "hard days work" as a bus driver
Think I'll pass on that.

Right, but everyone else is supposed to take your word for it that the climate change project is worthless after you launch a bizarre ad-hominem attack on a complete stranger?

Coherent argument there.