Vista delayed even more?

[TheAnimus]

I'd be interested to see exactly how much of Vista's code is new.

A lot of it you will find in 64bit 2003 windows.

But I had a play with the kernel (there is this whole rootkit is too hard, which worries me about anti-virus..... but thats another geeky debate everyone but one antivirus developer seams to not agree on) and its by far the newest OS advance i've seen since NT 3.51.

Whilst people might not look past the in my mind anoying skin, there are some major advances, none like MS first drew up. But plenty there.

And bluecube, i'm going to go out on a limb and assume you don't work in the IT proffession. Buisness is where it really is, Acorn had fantastic products, but went after the all to niche educational market, which ment as the others caught up, it was too expensive.

The bank i'm working for at the moment like many others, still use NT 4.0, the only reason we're migrating, is .net 2.0 (again, this is very common right now) in short you can say its only because of us developers prooving how much cheaper .net 2.0 is in our time to develope (thus can make more money with the derivities) they are moving. This is very much the norm.

No one in the proffesion around me would consider mac's for anything other than dumb termnials (ie firefox client) and even then they don't have nice deployment software made by apple (SMS) also many (such as myself) are starting to place bets on when apple will have its own summer of doom.

[Lowe]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkeC7HpsHxo

With results like that, no wonder it's delayed lol

[Steve]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkeC7HpsHxo

With results like that, no wonder it's delayed lol

And Jim Goldman just became the 'journalist' who annoys me most. Perhaps he was just taking account of his audience, though.

[nichomach]

"Live television's rough - welcome to our world..." ROFL!

[Bluecube]

And bluecube, i'm going to go out on a limb and assume you don't work in the IT proffession. Buisness is where it really is, Acorn had fantastic products, but went after the all to niche educational market, which ment as the others caught up, it was too expensive.

The bank i'm working for at the moment like many others, still use NT 4.0, the only reason we're migrating, is .net 2.0 (again, this is very common right now) in short you can say its only because of us developers prooving how much cheaper .net 2.0 is in our time to develope (thus can make more money with the derivities) they are moving. This is very much the norm.

No one in the proffesion around me would consider mac's for anything other than dumb termnials (ie firefox client) and even then they don't have nice deployment software made by apple (SMS) also many (such as myself) are starting to place bets on when apple will have its own summer of doom.

Hell no I don't work in IT although I used to. Be fair to me though I wasn't talking about using OSs in a business environment nor developing for them either. Purely from a home perspective if an OS runs an email client, a web browser and a Word type package then the average home user will be more than happy. I know I would be as that's all I use my PC for these days (apart from the occasional web design and database development but I'm not destroying my own argument!)

[Butuz]

Been playing with Vista Beta 2 and i have to say its quite nice. Clearly not ready yet, but quite nice all the same.

Its crashed a couple of times, and its not partiuclarly fast on a 3 Gig dual core P4 with 1GB ram. Glass looks nice though.

Like the search bar, Like IE7. Like the in buit security castration. Perfect for most home users not to get into trouble.

I wont be moving to it corporatly for a good while (only just got 2003 and XP) but i can see me moving to it at home, especially as it has Media Centre built in.

Butuz

[TheAnimus]

Hell no I don't work in IT although I used to. Be fair to me though I wasn't talking about using OSs in a business environment nor developing for them either. Purely from a home perspective if an OS runs an email client, a web browser and a Word type package then the average home user will be more than happy. I know I would be as that's all I use my PC for these days (apart from the occasional web design and database development but I'm not destroying my own argument!)

as far as the home goes:

Anti-phishing, IE7 is ahead of firefox in this.

Media Center Editions. Well apples will be out when its ready, and the standard home audiance isn't going to be using any scary mythtv box.

Hardware, someone mentioned with apple you don't need much hardware support..... erm not really no. Bluetooth cameras haven't really taken off here yet, but lets just pretend they had actually made decent ones, again it was windows which "just worked" or had a better chance anyway.

Security, MS are vets now at dealing with user stupidity, XP SP2 everything auto update by default, vista will patch things without any resetting needed that are very important kernel (its these sort of patches that plenty of home users ignore). Apple, what was it 26 patches today? MS have a very good system in place for this.

Office suite, most people will use the same they use at work or school, now MS are smart enough to give this away free (or next too, which buisness types often prefer) so most people (even mac users) use office for their work.

The biggest worry will be industry partners get fed up with the delay, as they are the ones who stand to loose sales at xmas as a result.