I have a question, If doom 3 limits the frame rate to 60 fps does this mean that it controls the GPU to only run at up to 60 fps? if this is the case then does that mean that a program could utilise that extra power in the GPU in anyway? or is it so specialised that it can only do exactly what is supposed to?
When to buy a new G card, well i think its best to buy the old best ones a couple of months after the new ones are out and just keep doing that when needed.
The powers that be @ Hexus will tell you that you can get some bargains from us and the other guys if you go back a generation or two
Those cards will play the older/simpler games perfectly as long as you don't stress the resolution/features too much
However, when you run a modern benchmark - you will see some major deltas in performance
If the X800 & X800 XL card prices translate favourably to '£' - then they could prove a very tempting pair (ooh eh missus)
Unfortunately, that conversion is out of our hands !
BTW: I am pretty sure that the in-game Doom 3 limitation is controlled by the CPU side of things... Rys is the expert - maybe he can confirm this
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"X800GT... snap it up while you still can"
HEXUS
......................................August 2005
Originally Posted by Lowe
Impressive as its a 68k download!!!
if you get a game for a game then graphics help you play it only so far. after that why not just fly off to some deserted island with a large collection of assorted guns and fire them off whilst running, jumping and climbing over said island - since thats about as real as you're gonna get. bottom line is a computer game is STILL a computer game. until we get full on matrix style VR its always going to be that way. so, I've decided to stick with my non-fan assisted gf2 64mb 'monster' and go play the games I want.
like RA2, warcraft3, UT and such cause thats about as much as it can handle...!
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Am I the only one who thinks that certain 'areas' needed more anti aliasing
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"X800GT... snap it up while you still can"
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......................................August 2005
Now that was really cool tbh!
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Am I the only one who thinks that certain 'areas' needed more anti aliasing
I see you have been keeping abreast of the situation...
...whatever will Kerri say
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"X800GT... snap it up while you still can"
HEXUS
......................................August 2005
Who gives a monkey's about the other chaps... they haven't graced the forums with their presence to have a chat with us!
On a PURELY personal note, I had nVidia cards for ages, it wasn't until I got my mitts on a 9600 that I became converted to ATi...
One of the things that set me off on this whole 'Is it worth upgrading?' was a quick reccy of the sheer cost of switching to an SLi system... for that I'd be looking at a new CPU, PSU, Mobo, Memory, cooler... AND two new cards.... That's going to come in somewhere around a £1000 just to have a beast of a system that could breeze through any game on the market...
To the average gamer, that's a HELL of an investement AND you're pretty much locked into an SLi type system for a fair while yet...
That's what really kicked my thinking off, I mean, is there a chance that manufacturers are losing touch with the reality of what gamers need AND can reasonably afford.
Deckard, thats not the point. We probably wouldnt even have directX 9 now, if it wasnt for how the IT market is structured.
As I pointed out, its the people buying the wrong thing, that gives you the option to buy the high tech cards, if you want to.
Im not saying high tech is wrong, but it doesnt fund itself, although most of its funding comes from the lower end cards that are marketed well.
That tech is here to stay, and the companys can afford to delevop it now, so why not make some money from it? again, its upto the consumer what they want to buy. There are plenty of people that can afford it though, maybe not even 0.1% of gamers, but thats still a LOT of people.That's what really kicked my thinking off, I mean, is there a chance that manufacturers are losing touch with the reality of what gamers need AND can reasonably afford.
Which links into my other question, what do those people DO with all that power?
I mean, other than running a 3D Mark benchtest, gaming has to be THE most intensive work out for a GHFX card... what else are people going to want one for? Sure, there's high-end rendering etc, but again, that's a small niche of the market.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for innnovation, but I think that so far the technological advances have easily outstripped the games being developed... and we see people spending simply massive amounts of money in what appears to be a mis-guided belief anything other than the latest bit of kit is acceptable.
It's not just GFX cards though, not by a long shot... Has anyone seen a game yet that supports ONLY EAX3... As another example, how long was it until a DVD-Rom game was released? Well after pretty much anyone who kept their rig up-to-date had got a DVD drive...
Obviously, emergent technology needs support, or it will falter and die, but perhaps manufacturers should slow the pace of their releases and force a bigger jump in features and performance from their last top-end bit of kit... Surely more people would see a value in buying it then?
Did you hear the one about the bloke with the 15" TFT who bought a 6800U/X800 (delete as applicable) to play Half Life 2 at default settings ?
This is the real value of something like Hexus - which is that end users can happen across a site that will give them enough information to make a sensible decision
If you have a 15" TFT - and are not thinking about changing it - then please save yourself +£100 and get the right card
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"X800GT... snap it up while you still can"
HEXUS
......................................August 2005
lol, or the one about the guy who bought two Voodoo 2's to run in SLi mode, gets home and finds his monitor doesn't support 1024x768....
Not that I have ANY idea who that was and it certainly WASN'T me... ahem...
And yes, I 150% agree that overpowering your system when you're not even going to go anywhere near using the card to its full potential is just dumb...
It's like buying an Audigy with all the nobbly extras for the front ports and then using it to play Media Player....
LOL Deckard .... I know someone that had that issue with the voodoo 2's as well
As for the debate. It may look like we are being sold the eqv of snake oil but the actual progress of the graphics era is amazing. LOOK at the hardware from 12 months ago and its virtually old school now compared to the newer offerings. Now we have gfx cards that can support hardware video acceleration and provide the eye-candy we want in games a la HL2
The only reason we can see this is because all the other aspects of a PC i.e memory, CPU are progressing at a much slower rate than the graphics industry and thus I can see why people think that with a graphics card you get a bit of a shafting.
I think ram is more comparable to snake oil. What, DUAL CHANNEL ram twinpacks - it makes NO DIFFERENCE. But people were told it does.. and so they payed more...
How much % increase does the fastest uber ram give you per £?
How much % increase will a X850 XTPE give you, per £?
For a 1 1/2 year old system, which is what most people would have, at a guess... definatly the x850. Ok it costs several times more, but the increase will be more like 10x more than what the ram will give.
But then, why would anyone, who has done there research into good products, decide to buy an audigy? or anything from creative for that matter.
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