No nvidia or AMD graphics for sale in UK atm ?

[PsyPill]

I'm not sure there is going to be a 3060FE, only partner cards.

Nvidia already came out and said there will be no 3060 [non-Ti] Founders Edition.

[ik9000]

If anyone is interested in the Aorus Master 3070:
1) I've just cancelled my pre-order with ebuyer and in doing so was told it had arrived with them today and was ready for shipping to arrive by Monday. If that's of interest to anyone be hawking the site as who knows when they'll re-list it.
2) Scan have also released a couple of them over the course of this week too, and at a better price. One imagines they will do so again next week assuming more come in alongside their expected shipment of 3080s listed for some time w/c 15th. Hawk the discord feeds and be ready to swoop.

and here they are at ebuyer: https://www.ebuyer.com/1128755-gigab...070aorus-m-8gd don't be put off by the pre-order status. I would have received mine today had I not cancelled it.

[Tea1023]

personally I'd try and hold out for another 2-3 months, I know it's a while but currently that's the sort of time scale we're looking at until prices settle down (hopefully)

Do we know if Nvidia is going to keep releasing the FEs in 2 or 3 months time? I'm holding out for a 3080FE but it looks like it's never happening..

[NonLinearLines]

Do we know if Nvidia is going to keep releasing the FEs in 2 or 3 months time? I'm holding out for a 3080FE but it looks like it's never happening..

As far as I've seen, they haven't said anything official. But they are going to be selling the FE in Poland soon, and Ireland are meant to be allowed cards again soon. That's a good sign they will be selling them for a while longer anyway.

[EasterEEL]

Do we know if Nvidia is going to keep releasing the FEs in 2 or 3 months time? I'm holding out for a 3080FE but it looks like it's never happening..

Considering the pent up demand one would hope so. I can't really understand why so few FE's have come to market for four months now. Have Nvidia sold regular consumers down the river by selling in bulk direct to miners?

[BattleBadger]

Considering the pent up demand one would hope so. I can't really understand why so few FE's have come to market for four months now. Have Nvidia sold regular consumers down the river by selling in bulk direct to miners?

FWIW when Nvidia decided to invent the founder's edition it was specifically mentioned in the presentation it was so the cards would remain in production as a premium offering. with that said, there is nothing stopping them from doing whatever they fancy. The dark side of my brain wouldn't be surprised if they halted and released a new version with a minor upgrade to cooling etc at a more current market price...

[Tea1023]

Considering the pent up demand one would hope so. I can't really understand why so few FE's have come to market for four months now. Have Nvidia sold regular consumers down the river by selling in bulk direct to miners?

Do you think Nvidia is selling the FEs at a loss though, considering the AIBs are nearing double the price? If so, I would suspect they drop them as soon as production of AIBs ramps up.

[kalniel]

Do you think Nvidia is selling the FEs at a loss though, considering the AIBs are nearing double the price? If so, I would suspect they drop them as soon as production of AIBs ramps up.

No. But then Nvidia's business model isn't dependant on retail sales. AIBs are marking up because 1) they can 2) they have fewer units to make the same revenue from.

I don't think there's much evidence of fewer FE cards coming to market yet - unless Nvidia provide that info in investor information - lack of availability can be due to demand just as much as supply, but I'd be very surprised if Nvidia weren't affected by the same substrate issues that the whole industry is suffering from.

[NonLinearLines]

Do you think Nvidia is selling the FEs at a loss though, considering the AIBs are nearing double the price? If so, I would suspect they drop them as soon as production of AIBs ramps up.

Nvidia make a ton of money selling the GPUs on to AIBs. That's how Nvidia make money on the chips.

The cost for Nvidia to put them in their own cards is something like 40% of the cost to AIBs. Obviously they have to pay for the other components (and all other business costs), but it does mean they can charge less and be fine with it.

[Tea1023]

No. But then Nvidia's business model isn't dependant on retail sales. AIBs are marking up because 1) they can 2) they have fewer units to make the same revenue from.

I've definitely been soured on a few brands and retailers over this and will be voting with my wallet when things return to normal.

Nvidia make a ton of money selling the GPUs on to AIBs. That's how Nvidia make money on the chips.

The cost for Nvidia to put them in their own cards is something like 40% of the cost to AIBs. Obviously they have to pay for the other components (and all other business costs), but it does mean they can charge less and be fine with it.

Do you think the AIBs could pressure NVIDIA to kill the FEs then if they don't meet expected revenue themselves?

[Zhaoman]

Do you think Nvidia is selling the FEs at a loss though, considering the AIBs are nearing double the price? If so, I would suspect they drop them as soon as production of AIBs ramps up.

Perhaps not at a loss but they are certainly very competitively priced. There is a suspicion that Nvidia deliberately overdesign and underprice their FE cards to maximise positive day 1 launch reviews. There are persistent rumours that the coolers on the FE cards are very expensive and puts into question how much profit Nvidia is actually making on them and whether they intend to produce many of them. Without accurate figures we don't know but at least we can see they still seem to be producing them long term.

[NonLinearLines]

Do you think the AIBs could pressure NVIDIA to kill the FEs then if they don't meet expected revenue themselves?

I don't think the AIBs have that kind of pressure. Nvidia already has a huge markup on the chips and the AIBs have no choice in the matter. Probably just forced to increase prices and take the flak. Means the consumers are stuck with overpriced cards or get a FE.

[DanceswithUnix]

Do you think the AIBs could pressure NVIDIA to kill the FEs then if they don't meet expected revenue themselves?

I can't see anyone telling Nvidia what to do. The situation does surprise me though, AIUI Nvidia hacked off the phone and tablet making companies to the point they wouldn't touch Tegra, there aren't enough electronics companies out there to partner with to afford pulling stunts like a low priced FE card that AIB market can't hope to match. That only works as long as AMD aren't a decent competitor, one day they could well be.

[Tea1023]

Perhaps not at a loss but they are certainly very competitively priced. There is a suspicion that Nvidia deliberately overdesign and underprice their FE cards to maximise positive day 1 launch reviews. There are persistent rumours that the coolers on the FE cards are very expensive and puts into question how much profit Nvidia is actually making on them and whether they intend to produce many of them. Without accurate figures we don't know but at least we can see they still seem to be producing them long term.

This is my fear. Did you see the (now deleted) tweet from Zotac praising the huge mining rig for using a stack of their 3080s? The AIBs are fully supporting this mess because they sell more cards either way, at inflated prices to boot.

[Scryder]

This is my fear. Did you see the (now deleted) tweet from Zotac praising the huge mining rig for using a stack of their 3080s? The AIBs are fully supporting this mess because they sell more cards either way, at inflated prices to boot.

I assume you're talking about this, from another thread:

At least AIB partners are doing all they can to get their cards into the hands of gamers....Oh wait.

Na, these companies don't care who buys these cards as long as they sell as many as they can!

Also the scummy thing about Zotac's tweet was all the gaming related hashtag. So not cool.

[kalniel]

edit: ah, no, they were 3070s. (I thought they'd tried to create a 3060 farm )