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    Re: News - AMD exec says NVIDIA neglecting gamers

    Wow. This is stil going. Proof if ever it wass needed that even the mentally unstable can get on the internet these days.

    A summary for those that can'tm be bothered to read fanboys arguing over tens of pages:

    ATI make faster and better cards than Nvidia. ATI's faster, better cards are more expensive as you woluld expect.
    Nvidia cards play Batman AA better (well, with AA anyway)
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    Re: News - AMD exec says NVIDIA neglecting gamers

    Quote Originally Posted by badass View Post
    Wow. This is stil going. Proof if ever it wass needed that even the mentally unstable can get on the internet these days.

    A summary for those that can'tm be bothered to read fanboys arguing over tens of pages:

    ATI make faster and better cards than Nvidia. ATI's faster, better cards are more expensive as you woluld expect.
    Nvidia cards play Batman AA better (well, with AA anyway)
    So a few posts ago I remind everyone that is supposed to be a civil forum, and you go and do this? Why do I even bother, clearly people don't listen!

    Yes, badass, this is still going. However there is no evidence that any of the people who have spoken here are mentally unstable, just passionate about their ideas, which is hardly a crime, nor objectionable. What is objectionable is when they sprout misinformation, which is the very thing I was trying to stop.

    Your summary also misses a few key points for the audience that have been discussed, such as the various merits of 3D Vision and Eyefinity, NVIDIA using vender locking tatics to prevent users form using a dedicated PhysX processor as part of graphics configuration if their primary adapater is not NVIDIA.

    Recent actions and engineering blunders by NVIDIA were also covered like the short usage life of the graphics adapters like 8600GTM. AMD was also said to be attempting to undermine NVIDIA because they are in debt and need to do whatever they can to recovered Market Share.

    In fact, there has been so much discussed, I think it would be well worth for people to read the last few pages, least not to prevent people repeating previous points!
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    Re: News - AMD exec says NVIDIA neglecting gamers

    Quote Originally Posted by Rollo View Post
    You "laugh" at people who buy nice things? Interesting coping mechanism.
    No, he's laughing at morons who buy expensive, flash kit which serves them absolutely zero practical purpose. And so do I.

    Nice (yet another, and another, and another, and another) strawman though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aidanjt View Post
    No, he's laughing at morons who buy expensive, flash kit which serves them absolutely zero practical purpose. And so do I.
    You mean like a Quadro series graphics card to game on? Or those TV cards that cost like £150 because they are "hybird card" with "A/V capture" when the user only wants to watch the BBC through their HTPC (in which case a £30 USB DVB-T doogle would do the trick).. yes, I laugh at these people also.

    Fortunately the seem to be rare. The only "bad purchase" I have made recently is a quad core for my HTPC, but that's all good, because the Quad Core cost me less than a Dual Core would have.

    It's stuff like buying a AMD ATi 4850 when a AMD ATi 4870 is both cheaper and faster... or buying a 120Hz moniter when you never use 3D... or spending £1600 on a LCD 1080p TV when you only watch SD content.

    But sometimes bad purchases like these can't be helped, it's only when people who do it who should know better that it's funny.
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    Nvidia mocks Intel!!

    I just saw this:

    http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/16309/34/

    http://www.ngohq.com/news/16724-nvid...-cartoons.html

    I am just waiting for the AMD version to come out!!

    Then Intel can start mocking Nvidia!!

    Guess who fired the first shot though!!??

    Who says nobody in the semiconductor industry can have a laugh............................................................................................... at the expense of somebody else??
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    Re: Nvidia mocks Intel!!

    Quote Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH View Post
    I just saw this:

    http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/16309/34/

    http://www.ngohq.com/news/16724-nvid...-cartoons.html

    I am just waiting for the AMD version to come out!!

    Then Intel can start mocking Nvidia!!

    Guess who fired the first shot though!!??

    Who says nobody in the semiconductor industry can have a laugh............................................................................................... at the expense of somebody else??
    Yeah, the sad thing with this is, either a) nVidia employees have nothing better to do with their time than doodle comic strips, or b) nVidia marketing hired a team of comic artists because they thought this would be a neat marketing ploy.

    Either way, bad taste.
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    Re: News - AMD exec says NVIDIA neglecting gamers

    Quote Originally Posted by aidanjt View Post
    No, he's laughing at morons who buy expensive, flash kit which serves them absolutely zero practical purpose. And so do I.

    Nice (yet another, and another, and another, and another) strawman though.
    No strawman. His whole post boiled down to "There's no need for costly Intel and NVIDIA parts, I prefer AMD parts and laugh at those who buy high end things like i7 and 30"monitors."

    My whole reply boils down to:

    1. It's not normal to laugh at people who buy good stuff.
    2. The good stuff offers several benefits.

    As noted, the 30" monitors greatly improve the gaming experience. I paid over $1000 for my i7, but the multiplier is unlocked and I prefer a multiplier OC to to memory OC- less fail points. I also prefer to do mild OCs, so when you start out with a chip rated at 3.2, you're pretty well assured you can put a 10-20% OC on it no problem.

    I have more cash than I do time to reformat and reinstall if 2.66> 4GHz OC fails, buying a 3.2 unlocked chip pretty much guarantees me 2 years of trouble free performance.

    My last main chip was an extreme edition Quad, and I used to run FX chips as well.

    With SLi, there are situations you can get into really CPU limited scenarios if you "grab one of those tasty phenoms".

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    "Flash rigs" aren't just for e-peen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rollo View Post
    I have more cash than I do time to reformat and reinstall if 2.66> 4GHz OC fails, buying a 3.2 unlocked chip pretty much guarantees me 2 years of trouble free performance.
    What I don't understand here is how you make the connection between a failed overclock, that will likely burn out the CPU, affecting your Windows install? Do i7 920s have a tendency to explode in such a unique and spectacular fashion that you will lose your harddrives as they are vaporised?

    Clearly, you buying the 965 is merely a cop out because you are unable to do something which many of use consider a simple, and easy to understand, process. Read my guide if you don't believe me, and then gron as you realise you could have saved about two thirds of the money you spent on your 965EE. Hell with that kinda money you could have bought another 295, wouldn't that be ace?

    As for benchmarks, I would love to benchmark my 920 D0 @ 3.6GHz vs your 965EE @ 3.6GHz. I mean clearly, the 965EE will be better because it is an Exterme Edition.
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    Besides, gaming on a 30" monitor sucks. Even the 24" I have requires me to scan my eyes around the display, which is rather distracting. You can't immerse yourself in a game if you're having to split your focus between it and the display. It would be a different thing entirely if you had a holodeck-type surround environment, but we're not quite there yet.
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    Besides, gaming on a 30" monitor sucks. Even the 24" I have requires me to scan my eyes around the display, which is rather distracting. You can't immerse yourself in a game if you're having to split your focus between it and the display. It would be a different thing entirely if you had a holodeck-type surround environment, but we're not quite there yet.
    True. I find I have to have my moniter about 2 foot away before I my eyes actually take in the entire scene. It is rather annoying, but good, because it reduces eye-strain and what not. At work my eyes get tired because my moniter is mere foot away. At home, my montiers are 2 foot and 1.5 foot away, and I don't get the eye-strain I get at work.
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    Re: News - AMD exec says NVIDIA neglecting gamers

    Quote Originally Posted by aidanjt View Post
    Besides, gaming on a 30" monitor sucks. Even the 24" I have requires me to scan my eyes around the display, which is rather distracting. You can't immerse yourself in a game if you're having to split your focus between it and the display. It would be a different thing entirely if you had a holodeck-type surround environment, but we're not quite there yet.
    I guess you never gave yourself a long enough period to adjust.

    It took me around a month to adjust to my 30" screen but now I have adjusted I even find 24" screens "small" and couldn't go back.....in fact I am currently waiting for my second 3007 to arrive for serious dual-screen real-estate......just got to fight the urge of getting a third and a 5970 when it releases
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    Quote Originally Posted by shaithis View Post
    ...just got to fight the urge of getting a third and a 5890 when it releases
    Why not a 5970?
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    Quote Originally Posted by shaithis View Post
    I guess you never gave yourself a long enough period to adjust.

    It took me around a month to adjust to my 30" screen but now I have adjusted I even find 24" screens "small" and couldn't go back.....in fact I am currently waiting for my second 3007 to arrive for serious dual-screen real-estate......just got to fight the urge of getting a third and a 5890 when it releases
    I've had my 24" for about a year, and it's still distracting when I play games. It's certainly great having a massive head for desktop usage. But for gaming?.. Naw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nightkhaos View Post
    Why not a 5970?
    Yeah, thats what I meant.....damn naming convention change is going to take a while to get used to!

    Why did they remove the x2 moniker?
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    I've had my 24" for about a year, and it's still distracting when I play games. It's certainly great having a massive head for desktop usage. But for gaming?.. Naw.
    Unlucky man. I love my 24" for gaming. I guess it all depends on your setup and what games you play, and how you play them. Some games don't go to well with screen realestate I can understand.
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