BBC puts forward levy on broadband bills idea

[judge56988]

Yeah sure, lack of ID cards is what makes you 'freer' than other nations. Are you feeling particularly 'free' at the moment? Never mind, you've got Navy Blue passports now at least

Still whingeing about 'unelected bureaucracies' too?! Pathetic. Especially as you know European elections at least use PR - unlike the antiquated, gerrymandered UK system.

You seem to be assuming that my thoughts on why something happened the way it did is the same as a personal opinion. You do snide well though.

[judge56988]

Are you about 12 years old?

The extreme left is authoritarian. Past the cuddly assistance for people and benefits to defining every aspect of a person's existence. Please, please read about living behind the curtain during the cold war. Watch 'The Lives of Others', read 'Nothing to Envy'. When we can travel again, head to the baltics and visit one of the museums about living under soviet socialism. Then go to Spain and Portugal to learn about Fascism. Not a whole lot of difference.

Once you've done that, perhaps realise the difference between the Conservative, Liberal and Labout parties in the UK is TINY. Subtle differences about where the lines is for self reliance vs state assistance. Corbyn lost because his view was outside that, not authoritarian left, but many in his circle clearly are. Boris is very socially liberal - he sits right where Blair was. It's also questionable how fiscally conservative he actually is. He's not 'extreme right' or a fascist or whatever other idiotic label the left give him, He spams the centre left and right, which is exactly why the left hate him. They have to push left to differentiate.
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"Right wingers want inequality and don't value the lives of those poorer than them and are always racist and xenophobic"

Ding ding. The most stupid, prejudiced statement of the thread. Did you sociology teacher tell you that? The liberal right believe in more self-reliance and individualism. The liberal left believe in more centralisation and state assistance. The right care about the poor and those down on their luck every bit as much as the left - they just disagree on the best way to assist (equality of opportunity vs equality of outcome).

The BBC and the NHS have existed under Tory governments for far, far longer than Labour governments. If they wanted to close either, they've had plenty of opportunity. They haven't.

Couldn't agree more.

[Dribble]

So anyway, the BBC...

Thoughts on the coverage of the current pandemic? Fair, honest, impartial, non-sensationalist and educational enough?

At least they've stopped reporting it as deaths from coronavirus to deaths with coronavirus - there's a big difference, a lot of people die with normal flu too but the death certificate will still say cancer, old age, etc. They are a bit sensationalist, but that's the news in general. For example the "hording" statistics showed supermarket sales went up by 10%. If you take into account a lot of people having to do big shops because they or someone they knew were self isolating you can see where the 10% arrived. Toilet roll is just the bulkiest thing in the shop so there's not much of it so it runs out fastest. There was no real hording, and what little there was came directly out of the fuss the news made as they panicked people into doing it with stupid pictures of trolleys full of toilet roll.

The current thing is lack of tests, and "we" all think there were a lack of tests, I doubt a single non journalist has been asked, they all just bounced off each other and made it into a big thing. A less sensationalist news would have looked deeper into this. Do we want more tests with a 90% accuracy (like the cheap chinese ones) or less tests with a much higher accuracy. Look at this statistically, if 10 in a 100 people have the virus and you give them all a 90% accurate test then 1 person with the virus is missed and 9 people without it have it. The one that is missed is now going around the hospital they work in infecting everyone, and 9 people who think they are safe can get it, they could be high risk, or they could pass it on to everyone as they think they've already had it. Also you will show an infection rate of near twice what it really is 18/100 not 10/100.

Very few news sites actually looked past the sensational headline for hording or tests including the BBC. Sensational is good for clicks but bad because it panics people.

[judge56988]

At least they've stopped reporting it as deaths from coronavirus to deaths with coronavirus - there's a big difference, a lot of people die with normal flu too but the death certificate will still say cancer, old age, etc. They are a bit sensationalist, but that's the news in general. For example the "hording" statistics showed supermarket sales went up by 10%. If you take into account a lot of people having to do big shops because they or someone they knew were self isolating you can see where the 10% arrived. Toilet roll is just the bulkiest thing in the shop so there's not much of it so it runs out fastest. There was no real hording, and what little there was came directly out of the fuss the news made as they panicked people into doing it with stupid pictures of trolleys full of toilet roll.

The current thing is lack of tests, and "we" all think there were a lack of tests, I doubt a single non journalist has been asked, they all just bounced off each other and made it into a big thing. A less sensationalist news would have looked deeper into this. Do we want more tests with a 90% accuracy (like the cheap chinese ones) or less tests with a much higher accuracy. Look at this statistically, if 10 in a 100 people have the virus and you give them all a 90% accurate test then 1 person with the virus is missed and 9 people without it have it. The one that is missed is now going around the hospital they work in infecting everyone, and 9 people who think they are safe can get it, they could be high risk, or they could pass it on to everyone as they think they've already had it. Also you will show an infection rate of near twice what it really is 18/100 not 10/100.

Very few news sites actually looked past the sensational headline for hording or tests including the BBC. Sensational is good for clicks but bad because it panics people.

I'd agree with all that. Personally I could do with a lot less of the "human interest" and more from people that know what they are talking about.

[FRISH]

I genuinely feel sorry for you. It must be horrible living with such deluded paranoia.

Pointless arguing with such as you and your fellow travellers (anti-vaxxers, flat-earthers, religious zealots etc) since objective facts mean nothing in the face of ingrained prejudice and wilful ignorance.

It's paranoia to claim that the NHS isn't inherently homophobic? These are comments I've repeatedly seen. As for the gender pay gap and pink tax, they've already been debunked but something brought forward to make it look like the world is more discriminatory than it actually is. Google looked into the gender gap for their company and found that men actually required a pay rise for equal pay. This is the company that is getting criticised by the left despite catering hard for 'equality'. The problem with the left is that if you don't agree with them, they label you in the same groups as conspiracy theorists and racists as you have so elegantly demonstrated. The left live in their own little bubble and sow division. People freely criticise more conservative ideals, but you get treated like sh*t if you criticise left winged biases. The vocal left appear to be unhappy because instead of sorting their own issues out, they lash out and blame everyone else. Their efforts will not have any positive impact on society unless they change their ways. I'm just wondering how many elections it will take to lose for them to actually do that. True ignorant is thinking only one side is treated as fact. Both sides are filled with manipulation, but the left is the one that is treated as good when it filled with people that resort to degrading others so that they can feel superior.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I need to double check whether this is a UK based forum,it sounds more like a US based one now,with some of these words being used.

[iggy]

Dear BBC,

rubbishrubbishrubbishrubbish off.

[judge56988]

Dear BBC,
Please sack Emily Maitlis.

[Smudger]

Google looked into the gender gap for their company and found that men actually required a pay rise for equal pay.

Not actually true though.

https://www.wired.com/story/men-goog...en-not-really/

I hate it when people generalise about the right, so here are my generalisations about the left...

[ik9000]

I agree with most of what gagaga says but this gov do have an axe to grind with the BBC. I can only speculate on its origins but it is on record IIRC that they are not happy with the BBC.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Fascism is authoritarian right - it is why Nazi Germany eventually went to war with the communist Soviet Union,which is authoritarian left. They were not mutually compatible with each other.

[FRISH]

Not actually true though.

https://www.wired.com/story/men-goog...en-not-really/

I hate it when people generalise about the right, so here are my generalisations about the left...

Sure I may have generalised it by saying men as a whole, but it's still true that women took them to court over pay disparity and Google found the opposite was true for a subset. People are taught that they're discriminated against and many wilfully believe it. Yes, not all people with left winged views are evil, but a lot of them will resort to name calling if to don't agree with them and almost never back up their opinions with facts. If you don't agree with some irrational opinion of there's, you are instantly labelled as an alt-right homophobic sexist and racist. A lot of people want to be part of a movement to just jump onboard without any critical thinking. I've been frequently labelled all sorts for simply disagreeing with an agenda and even banned from one site, yet another who literally promotes conservative genocide on the same network gets completely ignored because they're left winged. They expect to criticise anyone they like but cry oppression when the same happens to them. This sort of mentality is bringing society down. We should be encouraging to others and appreciate the freedoms we have. Half a century ago you couldn't be openly gay, now you can literally make up a gender and have people accept you. This vocal left ideology is just too widely accepted when it should be treated no differently to conservatism where you have your moderates, but also have your racists in there too.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

"conservative genocide" - what type of websites are you posting on??

[FRISH]

"conservative genocide" - what type of websites are you posting on??

Gaming and tech. A writer for engadget also made an article on the impact of isolation and told a commenter to go lick a subway railing because they said isolating isn't too hard. This writer used to write for another left winged site. They locked the comments since. There also appears to be a trend of massive hostility towards old people which goes against the compassion some of these people claim to have.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Gaming and tech. A writer for engadget also made an article on the impact of isolation and told a commenter to go lick a subway railing because they said isolating isn't too hard. This writer used to write for another left winged site. They locked the comments since. There also appears to be a trend of massive hostility towards old people which goes against the compassion some of these people claim to have.

I got called out for pointing out technical flaws in tech articles on one or two sites- I don't know if its "conservative genocide" but its definitely writers not liking criticism in general in the public space. I watched a review channel which I think is excellent,but for some unknown reason the author decided in one video to go on a rant about political stuff(snowflake this and that) and and he got called out in the comments and lost subs,etc. He did it subsequent on other stuff,locked comments,etc and the same has happened. Even deleted a video or two. He just didn't like criticism. Still watch it though!

Also as realistically as people argue about Tories and Labour,the UK isn't a very conservative country. It's not as liberal as some European countries,but compared to the US it certainly is more politically liberal and socially liberal in other ways. Heck,even in terms of religion only around 60% of people here say they follow some form of religion,which is significantly lower than the US,which is 82% religious.

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I have seen some younger folk get angry because of the lockdown,and the impact it has on them.Stated they don't care what happens to old people which is a shame.

[FRISH]

I got called out for pointing out technical flaws in tech articles on one or two sites- I don't know if its "conservative genocide" but its definitely writers not liking criticism in general in the public space. I watched a review channel which I think is excellent,but for some unknown reason the author decided in one video to go on a rant about political stuff(snowflake this and that) and and he got called out in the comments and lost subs,etc. He did it subsequent on other stuff,locked comments,etc and the same has happened. Even deleted a video or two. He just didn't like criticism. Still watch it though!

Also as realistically as people argue about Tories and Labour,the UK isn't a very conservative country. It's not as liberal as some European countries,but compared to the US it certainly is more politically liberal and socially liberal in other ways. Heck,even in terms of religion only around 60% of people here say they follow some form of religion,which is significantly lower than the US,which is 82% religious.

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I have seen some younger folk get angry because of the lockdown,and the impact it has on them.Stated they don't care what happens to old people which is a shame.

Yeah a lot of people seem to take criticism personally. I do wonder if character building should be taught more in schools to prepare people the the real world and to be able accept that others have different values. For some reason the younger crowd focus on ethnicity and sexuality which are good things to treat with respect, but don't seem to apply the same decency to someone who just happens to express an opinion. It shouldn't matter if you're more liberal or more conservative, just don't treat others like lesser people. Honestly, the amount of times I've seen the word incel to insult someone...

On the coronavirus I have similarly seen people not care what happens to old people (although it is simplistic to say that only those will be affected, particularly if the health system can't cope). Someone called them selfish for the isolation. With Brexit I've seen people wish old people to die off. I seen some random person in their late 50s or early 60s say that they likely won't die off any time soon and someone replied that they hope that person does with a lot of positive attention. I've seen someone complain about a pensioner being "well off" because they owned a 100k flat and could afford heating it on high. There is some serious bitterness and I really don't get it. A lot of the older people I've met have tried to extra hard to please others and it feels like my generation seem to just care about their own lives and blame everyone else. It also feels like people are taught to hate things from media that unfortunately garners more attention.