Nvidia reveals the GeForce RTX 3070, 3080, 3090 graphics cards

[3dcandy]

A lot of talk about prices, these were launch prices for (non-FE) the x70 tier:
- 970: £280
- 1070: £380
- 2070: £380

The 3070 is £470, a whopping increase on that tier. It might be "good" value for money if it really does out perform a 2080Ti, but so far I've only seen those claims on RTX titles, and as we all know, RTX is not the be-all of performance. A lot of us rather RTX-off with greater performance (for shooters, I'd rather 144fps with RTX off than 60fps with RTX on).

The 3070 is the only one piquing my interest, as it's the closest to a justifiable cost (still painfully large imo).

But wow, have you seen the AIP images so far? They look horrific! And also painfully big. No frills card that fits nicely in two slots for me please. I don't have room for cards that obstruct the use of a third PCIe slot (mine are full).

Still runs hot and is power hungry...
Yes performance is good, but they need decent cooling

[ohmaheid]

REAL street pricing will be:
3090 = £1600+
3080 = £900+
3070 = £700 +/-
and will fall by just a little for a year until the "Super" versions come out at even higher prices.
Like the 10900k was supposed to be £480 - but can't be had for less than £600.

[kalniel]

A lot of talk about prices, these were launch prices for (non-FE) the x70 tier:
- 970: £280
- 1070: £380
- 2070: £380

The 3070 is £470, a whopping increase on that tier.

The dollar MSRP price is a bit different:

- 970: $329
- 1070: $379
- 2070: $499
- 3070: $499

So there had already been a large increase for the 2070. The 3070 matching that price is where the 'good value' comments partially come in.

Whether reasons of £ strength or otherwise, it's the 2070 where we seem to have come in low, rather than the 3070 being high.

[Moonister]

Am I missing something or people get too easily high on marketing blurb.

It seems to me that nvidia is making their 3090 which is equivalent to 2080ti a new cash cow . They will either kill "ti" series with this or introduce unattractive ti later on which will make the ti people to go for a higher priced 3090.

Prices -->
£1.5k(!) vs £1.2k(!). I mean anything over £1k is bonkers but nevermind
3080 is equivalent to 2080 and it's pretty much the same (bonkers) price.

Performance -->
3070 faster than 2080ti -- In your (wet) dreams. I can bet my money it won't be. They would kill a cash cow straight away. My guess is that 3080 will be comparable to 2080ti just as 2080 was comparable to 1080ti. 30xx may be a bit better for ray tracing but who cares about that anyway. I take buttery smooth high refresh everytime just like most people (most people still play in 1080p apparently).

10gb memory for 3080 seems inadequate these days so again more people looking 3090 way (cash cow). It's being promoted for 4k60 whooohooo, wait 1080ti was also promoted 4k60 plus 4k120 should be a norm not 4k60 when we talk about top shelf £1k+ cards

[3dcandy]

Am I missing something or people get too easily high on marketing blurb.

It seems to me that nvidia is making their 3090 which is equivalent to 2080ti a new cash cow . They will either kill "ti" series with this or introduce unattractive ti later on which will make the ti people to go for a higher priced 3090.

Prices -->
£1.5k(!) vs £1.2k(!). I mean anything over £1k is bonkers but nevermind
3080 is equivalent to 2080 and it's pretty much the same (bonkers) price.

Performance -->
3070 faster than 2080ti -- In your (wet) dreams. I can bet my money it won't be. They would kill a cash cow straight away. My guess is that 3080 will be comparable to 2080ti just as 2080 was comparable to 1080ti. 30xx may be a bit better for ray tracing but who cares about that anyway. I take buttery smooth high refresh everytime just like most people (most people still play in 1080p apparently).

10gb memory for 3080 seems inadequate these days so again more people looking 3090 way (cash cow). It's being promoted for 4k60 whooohooo, wait 1080ti was also promoted 4k60 plus 4k120 should be a norm not 4k60 when we talk about top shelf £1k+ cards

All my american gamer friends feel exactly the opposite to what you have just said... they all game at higher than 1080p, all think the price is ok. We are beginning to see how NV is looking away from Europe and back to the US and Asia for sales

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

All my american gamer friends feel exactly the opposite to what you have just said... they all game at higher than 1080p, all think the price is ok. We are beginning to see how NV is looking away from Europe and back to the US and Asia for sales

Apple has 60% of the smartphone market in the US,so not sure if the US and pricing really is such a good indicator of value. The UK its 46% IIRC,so I suspect we are more value orientated.

[kalniel]

Am I missing something or people get too easily high on marketing blurb.

What posts do you take issue with?

It seems to me that nvidia is making their 3090 which is equivalent to 2080ti a new cash cow . They will either kill "ti" series with this or introduce unattractive ti later on which will make the ti people to go for a higher priced 3090.

I think it's not cash cow as much unobtainable halo card. Jensen seems to say that himself if they consider the 3080 the actual flagship card.

Prices -->
£1.5k(!) vs £1.2k(!). I mean anything over £1k is bonkers but nevermind
3080 is equivalent to 2080 and it's pretty much the same (bonkers) price.

If it was ok for the last gen, what's the incentive for them to change it for this gen? Don't get me wrong, I think prices are too high for me personally at this point in time, but then I'm probably not who they're targetted at. I don't really have the right to say everyone else is bonkers but I don't think we can say pricing in line with the last generation is outrageous.

Performance -->
3070 faster than 2080ti -- In your (wet) dreams. I can bet my money it won't be. They would kill a cash cow straight away.

They are killing the 2080ti - inventory was being run out well before this release.

My guess is that 3080 will be comparable to 2080ti just as 2080 was comparable to 1080ti. 30xx may be a bit better for ray tracing but who cares about that anyway. I take buttery smooth high refresh everytime just like most people (most people still play in 1080p apparently).

We'll see. Partly it's a moot point anyway since last gen is going away, but the non-RTX performance increase in these new chips seems good as well and they'll appeal to ultra-refresh rate crowds too.

10gb memory for 3080 seems inadequate these days so again more people looking 3090 way (cash cow). It's being promoted for 4k60 whooohooo, wait 1080ti was also promoted 4k60 plus 4k120 should be a norm not 4k60 when we talk about top shelf £1k+ cards

Well if you assert people still play 1080p then 10gb is overkill.. but I agree with you that 4k will likely push for more in some titles. I don't agree that 4k120 should be a norm just yet - that's definitely in hard core enthusiast territory given the price of monitors that support that.

[Moonister]

Am I missing something or people get too easily high on marketing blurb.

It seems to me that nvidia is making their 3090 which is equivalent to 2080ti a new cash cow . They will either kill "ti" series with this or introduce unattractive ti later on which will make the ti people to go for a higher priced 3090.

Prices -->
£1.5k(!) vs £1.2k(!). I mean anything over £1k is bonkers but nevermind
3080 is equivalent to 2080 and it's pretty much the same (bonkers) price.

Performance -->
3070 faster than 2080ti -- In your (wet) dreams. I can bet my money it won't be. They would kill a cash cow straight away. My guess is that 3080 will be comparable to 2080ti just as 2080 was comparable to 1080ti. 30xx may be a bit better for ray tracing but who cares about that anyway. I take buttery smooth high refresh everytime just like most people (most people still play in 1080p apparently).

10gb memory for 3080 seems inadequate these days so again more people looking 3090 way (cash cow). It's being promoted for 4k60 whooohooo, wait 1080ti was also promoted 4k60 plus 4k120 should be a norm not 4k60 when we talk about top shelf £1k+ cards

All my american gamer friends feel exactly the opposite to what you have just said... they all game at higher than 1080p, all think the price is ok. We are beginning to see how NV is looking away from Europe and back to the US and Asia for sales

good riddance I say and wish them happy "milking" :-)
Your american friends think price is OK yet they haven't even seen one benchmark...they must have wealthy parents I think ;-)

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I game at qHD and have run out of VRAM(8GB on my card),at that resolution.

good riddance I say and wish them happy "milking" :-)
Your american friends think price is OK yet they haven't even seen one benchmark...they must have wealthy parents I think ;-)

This is classic marketing. Limit supply artificially to make it sound like you need to get it now,and get tons of people pre-ordering meaning companies can pay for production beforehand,etc. Then people panic,seeing "out of stock" everywhere,and they think everyone is buying the product and are missing out,so NEED to jump on,and pre-order even if the price is higher.

This is what Apple and Samsung do for the phones - make people panic and stand in lines overnight scared they can't get the phone. Wait a month or two,and you get the phone cheaper,with freebies from the comfort of your own home.

Doesn't happen so much for commercial customers,who will get enough of the stock.

[3dcandy]

Apple has 60% of the smartphone market in the US,so not sure if the US and pricing really is such a good indicator of value. The UK its 46% IIRC,so I suspect we are more value orientated.

Erm Apple has over 80% of the smartphone market in North America last time I looked..

But yeah, my point was nv is much more interested in markets away from Europe I feel

[3dcandy]

good riddance I say and wish them happy "milking" :-)
Your american friends think price is OK yet they haven't even seen one benchmark...they must have wealthy parents I think ;-)

Well perhaps you should see what average wages etc. are in america. They have a huge amount more disposable income generally than we do...

[Moonister]

good riddance I say and wish them happy "milking" :-)
Your american friends think price is OK yet they haven't even seen one benchmark...they must have wealthy parents I think ;-)

Well perhaps you should see what average wages etc. are in america. They have a huge amount more disposable income generally than we do...

Still believing in "American dream"? You haven't lived and earned long term in America, have you? All good until you get sick, old, pregnant or unemployed and reality of sky high bills and self support hits hard. Anyway, don't want to stray off the topic. If you think it's so great over there doors are open...and the wall is still under construction.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Well perhaps you should see what average wages etc. are in america. They have a huge amount more disposable income generally than we do...

Yes,and no. It depends on what part of society you are,and personal debt levels are huge.

Then on top of that in the US,look at the costs for medical care and university. They are really high. A birth even after medical insurance has paid out can be $1000s! Half of personal bankruptices in the US are due to medical costs.

So,it might look like they have a lot of spare cash,but the average person in the US,also has to pay out for more stuff out of their pocket. So in theory they need to have that overhead to account for that,ie,invest that money for a rainy day. In the UK we do pay more taxes,but less than other European countries,but we also expect the government to give us more too. In fact a lot of our personal debt seems to be down to the stupid pricing of housing in this country(and car loans!).

Erm Apple has over 80% of the smartphone market in North America last time I looked..

But yeah, my point was nv is much more interested in markets away from Europe I feel

Google said 60% but anyway,they seem to be spending more. Also Asia is more value orientated in general.

Take away places like Japan and South Korea,generally people have less disposable income.

So I suspect the entry level and mainstream GPUs probably sell more over there,than over here. I still remember,when Chinese internet cafes were counted,a lot of the entry level Nvidia GPUs,were pushed up the ranking in the Steam Hardware Survey.

[Moonister]

I game at qHD and have run out of VRAM(8GB on my card),at that resolution.

good riddance I say and wish them happy "milking" :-)
Your american friends think price is OK yet they haven't even seen one benchmark...they must have wealthy parents I think ;-)

This is classic marketing. Limit supply artificially to make it sound like you need to get it now,and get tons of people pre-ordering meaning companies can pay for production beforehand,etc. Then people panic,seeing "out of stock" everywhere,and they think everyone is buying the product and are missing out,so NEED to jump on,and pre-order even if the price is higher.

This is what Apple and Samsung do for the phones - make people panic and stand in lines overnight scared they can't get the phone. Wait a month or two,and you get the phone cheaper,with freebies from the comfort of your own home.

Doesn't happen so much for commercial customers,who will get enough of the stock.

I have 11gb on 1080ti and sometimes it's pretty close to the limits. 10gb is borderline dealbreaker for me if I was thinking of upgrading. I mean it's not even an upgrade as 11 > 10 :-)

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I have 11gb on 1080ti and sometimes it's pretty close to the limits. 10gb is borderline dealbreaker for me if I was thinking of upgrading. I mean it's not even an upgrade as 11 > 10 :-)

Lenovo just leaked the RTX3070TI 16GB. I would say unless you really need an upgrade,to hold onto your money. AMD has to launch their GPUs,and if they are any good Nvidia will probably respond,then AMD will respond and so on.

[3dcandy]

To both above - yes I understand both of your points. But for who this card is marketed at, they have tonnes more disposable income than US currently. And yes, they understand how they will be in debt and don't care...

Again, those who I have spoken to have no issue spending a load of money on a gfx card. Most have a gaming pc, a work pc and even a gaming laptop. And they mostly give little regard to being in huge debt right now - proper live now culture for many

But as you have rightly both pointed out it's a world apart from us here and that is my point. We are a tiny market again for high end gfx cards and the 30xx cards personally I feel aren't aimed at us here in the UK right now