eBay blocks PS3 sales

[Synergy6]

being a greedy smegma based life-form screwing people over on eBay.

This is the bit I least understand.

"smega...." = Putting up an auction, taking the cash, and running. = Yes

"smega...." = Physically forcing someone to bid for your item. = Yes

"smega...." = Putting an item up for sale, selling that item for the price the buyer is obviously willing to pay, and making the trade. = Erm, no.

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[Stewart]

I would *love* to know what, if anything, you're basing that on.

Well its my opinion, but based on what I've seen and read about the game its shaping up to be a masterpiece, and the Zelda series in general is held in high regard by gamers. If this lives up to the standards of previous entries in the series, or as Nintendo are saying, is the best of the series, then it will go down as a classic, as Link to the Past and Ocarina of Time have before it.

Plus no one has ever been able to match Nintendo first party games for gameplay and fun. The are generally the highest standard of games you can play.

So I reckon a lot of peoples game of the year will be Zelda. But, you know, if its not yours, then fair enough.

[piggeh]

Personally, I think all these people selling PS3's on for vast profits are scum. But the only reason I think that is because I'm jealous I didn't get there first tbh. How many of us would turn down the chance to make a quick £500-1000 profit, or whatever they end up selling at?

Any sane person is sensible enough just to wait a month or so. Those that decide to spend a fortune on buying them are idiots/addicts with more money than sense. If they stopped buying the machines in protest then people would soon stop buying them to sell on at profit. Unfortunately they just can't help themselves.

Ebay policies are pretty good for helping prevent being flooded with loads of fraudulent transactions which Paypal will then have to foot the bill for. It's obviously something in their best interests because they are traditionally utter s**** at protecting consumers.

[Nick]

Zelda is really rather good on the Wii... I've logged about 3 or 4 hours on it so far...

[Stewart]

I bet it is. It would be fine enough just having a new Zelda, but a new way to play it thrown in as well, gotta be goodness.

[Nick]

Hexus' reply to criticism. Unfortunately, it's not as surprising as it should be. Par for the course I suppose.

Synergy6

Lol, now come on, you can't expect to criticise me and have me not defend myself.

The point of the big smiley at the end was to show that I meant that comment in a light-hearted manner.

You are ALWAYS entitled to an opinion and I ALWAYS welcome criticism and others' opinions, I really do.

But I don't see why I, in your opinion, should not be allowed to express my opinion, which is what I did, just as you did.

And, to be fair, if you're going to call my opinion rubbish, then you should certainly expect some form of response.

Unlike pretty much every other form of media, online is one place where, more often than not, you have direct access to the people who write the stories, almost in real time. By all means comment and criticise, just don't expect a wall of silence or a change of opinion.

I do take on board your comments and I will in future make it clear when I'm writing an opinion piece, perhaps even doing it as separate section at the end of the item.... perhaps.

[Stoo]

How many of us would turn down the chance to make a quick £500-1000 profit, or whatever they end up selling at?

I should have a Japanese PS3 arriving any day now, I didn't pay over the odds for it, and I could probably punt it on ebay for twice what I paid for it, but I won't.

I've got what I wanted, and don't feel the odd need to screw people over at the earliest given opportunity.

There's more to life than profit

[blknoel]

Stoo, I admire your sense of justice and care for others, I really do, it's touching when you see nice people with a heart around. Live it straight so that you never regret a thing before you eternally close your eyes.

To hell with the scums who spit at moral standards and get blindfolded by short term profits. In this case of the PS3, those with minimum intellect should be able to understand that taking advantage of people's desperation to earn for one's self is hardly something moral. But then again, the "stupid" buyers/bidders at those prices could also be companies who research on "chipping" consoles, and the sooner they get their hands on a console the better. People see it as an investment in this case.

Note: I believe chipping a PS console (regardless of generation) is considered illegal as well, but that's a different story.

Just a refreshing breeze to relieve the heat in this discussion, I think airports and post offices should block cargos/baggage that contain more than one PS3 console transcontinentally lol.

[badass]

Quite frankly, that's a load of bollards.

Scan don't buy things at the retail price after securing most of the stock and punt it for 10x the retail value.

It's a completely different thing buying stuff wholesale as a retailer, to being a greedy smegma based life-form screwing people over on eBay.

Do you actually believe that if scan menaged to get hold of a load of Core 2 QX6700's for £10 they would sell them for not a lot more right now?
If not, how is what they would happily do and may well be doing when they get bargains any different to what people are doing one ebay, except one is a company, one is an individual.

[Synergy6]

Err, no. "Defending" one's self usually requires looking at the criticism given and pointing out where you disagree. Saying "Your opinion is, of course, rubbish" is not defending anything, it's simply saying "I can't be bothered to make a meaningful reply, but I want to point out I'm right and you're wrong."

"Your opinion is, of course, rubbish" + "I ALWAYS welcome criticism"
Hmm, hypocrisy? If you really appreciate criticism, you have a weird way of showing it.

Actually, I didn't call your opinion "rubbish", you did that to me. Might want to read back a bit, I merely pointed out that your reply was unsurprising. Which was true.

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[Nick]

Actually, I didn't call your opinion "rubbish",

Synergy6

Er, yes you did. I've highlighted it in bold in the quote below.

so yeah, I’m all behind sabotaging an auction that plainly sets out to do so. " Hmm, "definitive technology news" "UK's biggest tech site" and we get this opinionated rubbish.

Synergy6

"Your opinion is, of course, rubbish" + "I ALWAYS welcome criticism"
Hmm, hypocrisy?

Nope, go look up 'hypocrisy'...

There's nothing hypocritical in those two statements that you've plucked out to question as being hypocritical. I've told you want I think of your opinion and told you that I welcome criticism, you opinion and your criticism are two separate things... they may be related but they are separate. And I note that you've chosen to ignore the fact that I stated it was a light hearted reply, twice now in fact.

Now go look up 'humour'.

And, though I've probably confused the issue by replying to your points in no particular order, I can quite happily debate the issue with you all day. But, and this is the kicker, we're obviously poles apart on how we feel about this, which means there's no middle ground to be found, which means the debate will go on and on until one of, most likely me, becomes bored of splitting hairs over the finest details of nuance rather than debating the actual topic.

So, here's my stance:

Yes, folk who go off and bid on eBay for a PS3 and pay massively over the odds are perfectly entitled to do that and I'm just as entitled to think they're bloody fools for doing it.

But I'm just as much against the arses who go and buy a PS3 JUST to flog it on eBay for a profit. There is no argument and no defence for it, they just want to make a quick buck off of another's need... and in doing so, with the PS3 in short supply, these profiteers are preventing gamers from paying the retail rate and perhaps even excluding those without $8000 to bid on eBay.

So yes, I welcome eBay's move.

I must say, this article was a severe disappointment.

Let's get a little perspective here, Synergy6, it's just one article about a console launch in the US... it couldn't have been that crushing could it? Really?

[Stoo]

Do you actually believe that if scan menaged to get hold of a load of Core 2 QX6700's for £10 they would sell them for not a lot more right now?
If not, how is what they would happily do and may well be doing when they get bargains any different to what people are doing one ebay, except one is a company, one is an individual.

No, they'd either sell them at current retail price (or just below and slap it on today only or something) and still make a huge profit, but without screwing over the general public.

My analogy was if they bought up the entire uk stock at normal prices then decided to sell it all at up to 10 times the price, which is exactly what these ebayers are doing.

Yeah, "entire uk stock" is is a bit of an embellishment, but when you see that these ebay scalpers are buying up 100's of consoles at a time, it's not that far a stretch given that it could well be an entire towns allotment for a month.

It's greedy, immoral, and just damned rude.

[DragonStar]

lol, you tell him Stoo! and i agree as it happens

[Synergy6]

Let's get a little perspective here, Synergy6, it's just one article about a console launch in the US... it couldn't have been that crushing could it? Really?

I wouldn't say "crushing" is the right word. I think I used "disappointing", and that seems more appropriate. Enough to crush my very soul? No. Enough to take Hexus from my bookmarks? Yes. It's not the article itself that prompted the action, just the lack of, in my eyes, any editorial supervision that would allow such an article to be passed off as "news".

Of course, my absence won't hurt the site in any way, and I'm not narcissistic enough to believe that. However, I just thought I'd explain my opinion, "rubbish" as it may be.

Synergy6

[5lab]

Yeah, "entire uk stock" is is a bit of an embellishment, but when you see that these ebay scalpers are buying up 100's of consoles at a time, it's not that far a stretch given that it could well be an entire towns allotment for a month.

It's greedy, immoral, and just damned rude.

how is it immoral?

also, what proof have you got of someone buying up 100s? i've only ever seen a seller selling 2..

[Synergy6]

5lab, nice to see I'm not the only one who finds the idea that buying or selling a PS3 in whatever legal way you want is related to morality rather comical
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