how will this affect businesses to? ok they will run a vista license server, with say 1000 licenses and 1000 computers, a machine breaks, motherboard replaced, does the company need to buy another vista license?
If not, then this may be the only way around for home users, a second pc acting as their vista license server.
personally - think i'm sticking with XP x64
Nox
actually, im hoping microsoft will offer 6 month trials for vista, just like they do for xp and 2003 etc - think my erm, third will run out around Feb. Not a biggy, tend to reinstal my OS more often than 6 months anyway!
Nox
depends on how you buy the licenses. you can buy them based on the number of computers in use at a time, so if one machine dies and you install on another, you are left with the same net licence usage. I think this is only possible for companies with dundreds of systems or more though.
The current situation is that if you want to do the sort of volume licensing you describe, then you purchase machines with an OEM license and then buy volume upgrade licenses for the OS. Yes, you buy a machine with XP already on it and you have to buy XP AGAIN to do things like imaging or transfer of licenses. Volume licenses start with as few as 5 licenses and they don't all have to be for the same product. Don't even ASK what I think about buying the same operating system twice. Am I rushing to buy Vista for my company? Don't be daft - the EULA terms are a freaking obscenity, the pricing is utterly insane, the hardware requirements take the wee on a massive scale. Frankly, they can...well, I'll leave it to your febrile imaginations.
Well, balls to MS. I've been toying with the idea of swapping over to Linux for a while now. This just sealed the deal.
Absolutely Ridiculous! How many people are going to "suffer" this crap? This is what makes people want to pirate software, Price, and ridiculous so called "rules"!
WinXP counts my E6300 dual core processor as 2 processors as far as i can see. Its listed as 2 CPUs everywhere i can find reference to it in XP from Control panel to CPU affinity in Task Management.Currently under WinXP the number of processors is counted by the number of occupied sockets on the motherboard, not the number of cores on the CPU; this shouldn't be an issue.
Will Quad core be a possible issue for Vista. Surely AMD and not going to be happy if it is on number of socketed CPUs as they do 4 and 8 way Opterons! Let alone mulitcore on those as well!
Microshaft living up to their reputation again! Is it time to switch to consoles for all your gaming needs?
it's the other way round, reallyOriginally Posted by 64Bit_Oddity
the high price and silly terms come from over 20 years of people taking the pee and pirating the software. competition is what drives down prices, and microsoft have no competition because people have been pirating the MS product rather than using a cheaper competitor - ensuring that the competitors go out of business, and the microsoft option becomes a de-facto standard that everybody needs to work with (usually by buying the microsoft option, since there are no viable alternatives)
the high price and silly terms on vista are microsoft tightening their grip, now that almost every computer user has built up a dependence on their products - you *have* to use windows and office to work with everyone else, and you *have* to spend silly money on them due to the brutal new anti-piracy measures
at this point, i have an urge to say something about cake, and eating thereof
4 and 8-way opterons don't run home editions of consumer OSen - they run server-grade OSen without low limits on sockets
and despite the mention of two CPUs everywhere, XP is as aware of how many physical sockets you have, and how many cores they have as any other OS:
jms@osc-bigmac:~$ cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep cores | tail -1
cpu cores : 2
I don't see my self migrating to vista for at least 18mths, i going to let other people more clued up than moi iron out the bugs. But with this restrictions it might seem like never. Ubuntu and suse would seem to be the preff option for the future, unless ms change it's current pricing and licencing structure.
Deo Adjuvante non Timendum
If you're running XP on an 8way opty system you've probably lost the plot.
I was troubled by the headlines of a week or so ago but things do not look so bad. An artical containing some quotes on the subject from Shanen Boettcher, Microsoft general manager :
See: http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase..._licensing.asp
From what I can see, for a boxed version of Vista, pc upgrades and license transfers will be handled in much the same fashion as under XP. Genuine reasons for re-registration should not be a concern.
<shrug>
Q. How does this licensing policy affect products such as Microsoft Windows XP Professional?
A. Microsoft Windows XP Professional and Microsoft Windows XP Home are not affected by this policy as they are licensed per installation and not per processor. Windows XP Professional can support up to two processors regardless of the number of cores on the processor. Microsoft Windows XP Home supports one processor.
In other words, quad core (2 processors) is supported at the low-end, and I can't see this changing. If you're running more cores than this in 2007 then you're using a server and you ought to pony up for a server OS
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It's a good point, and I agree with that.
Problem with this^^ if microsoft have introduced this now as a measure to get on top of piracy, then they are doing it wrong. They are not discouraging piracy at all by making it more difficult and expensive for home-PC-builders to use it LEGALLY! Someone will crack it, and then where will it get them?the high price and silly terms on vista are microsoft tightening their grip, now that almost every computer user has built up a dependence on their products - you *have* to use windows and office to work with everyone else, and you *have* to spend silly money on them due to the brutal new anti-piracy measures
I bought my copy of XP, and after several reinstalls in the last year I am tempted to hack it to bypass having to ring the indian call centres to register.
Last edited by Rack; 24-10-2006 at 02:05 PM.
Having just read Paul Thurrott's discussion on this he states 'Windows is, as always, not licensed to an individual. It's licensed to a device. One device.'.
Is it just me or does this sound like saying that 'Yes, you have a licence to drive this car; but it you get new alloy wheels fitted (heaven forbid a new car) then you will have to get a shiney new licence to go with it'.
And today's overeactionary anti-vista rant is..
Remain calm, nothing much has changed and reality will be somewhat different from the headlines..
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