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    As I thought Microsoft have seen sense and backed down from it's tougher stance

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    i just think that Microsoft is tired of being rich, and this way they are just trying to loose a whole lot of money...
    Let´s keep it real, i have Vista RC2 running right now, and if you say that crap is good... I rather stick to XP...

    Microsoft: get a grip, keep it simple... and cheap... you will profit more...

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    Quote Originally Posted by NiPPonD3nZ0 View Post
    i have Vista RC2 running right now, and if you say that crap is good... I rather stick to XP...

    Microsoft: get a grip, keep it simple... and cheap... you will profit more...
    they pulled RC2.

    and i truely think you should invoice anyone who reads that fantastic business advice. They could make trillians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheAnimus View Post
    They could make trillians.
    Wasn't she a character in Hitch Hikers Guide?

    The previously mentioned new 'features' of Vista are enough to prevent me upgrading for quite some time. The status of the EULA is not exactly going to change my mind
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    I have to agree on the most part, but one thing confuses me... Why are people having so many problems with XP activation? I have done this using the phone and automated service at least FOUR times and have never had a problem nor spoken to anyone from customers services (be it in the UK or India) once.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moby_matt View Post
    I have to agree on the most part, but one thing confuses me... Why are people having so many problems with XP activation? I have done this using the phone and automated service at least FOUR times and have never had a problem nor spoken to anyone from customers services (be it in the UK or India) once.

    Matt.
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    Even the first time I had to activate XP, it was done over the phone at their Indian call center.

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    Seems the angry word is spread arounding the net ... and read this for a cogent analysis by a security expert.

    (Nb because I can't post URLs until I've sent another two posts just put full stops instead of spaces after www and on either side of "co")

    www theregister co uk/2006/10/29/microsoft_vista_eula_analysis/

    It begins to look like Microsoft's lawyers may have opened a can of Tremors-sized worms with this. As the guy notes they can only hope to get away with this because they have an effective monopoly, but that raises the prospect of yet more anti-trust action. Perhaps they will back down (I don't see what benefit any of these EULA restrictions will do them, and if journalists did their job it would surely destroy any lingering demand for Vista as a retail product - because there's no longer much point in buying Vista at retail) but it would be better if it came to court - that might even strike a necessary and perhaps fatal blow against the infringement of consumer rights known as DRM.

    Mind you I see that here in the UK a paper from the influential IPPR think tank is challenging current applications of copyright law. Maybe the backlash is finally beginning. I make a living myself as a writer, so copyright matters to me, but the current practice of DRM isn't about protecting my rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tickedon View Post
    Luck?

    Even the first time I had to activate XP, it was done over the phone at their Indian call center.

    Nope - it's the normal distribution curve - and he just happens to be at one end.

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    So long and thanks for all the fish

    I have made the decision to give up on Vista and Microsoft. The new EULA and the restrictions on what you can do with the operating system you buy are over the top as far as I am concerned. I simply can't stand any more of this. It's a dignity issue. I can't stand being screwed further by Microsoft.

    I have moved to the Mac for my browsing and email. and I also use ubuntu for fun. That's it. No more money for Microsoft from me. This is sort of a EULAg.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TheAnimus View Post
    they pulled RC2.

    and i truely think you should invoice anyone who reads that fantastic business advice. They could make trillians.
    RC2 had a limited download life - that was the intention from the get-go.

    I've been using it for a couple of weeks for 8 hours a day for development work without a hitch at work. Works fine on my lappy at home too..
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckskull View Post
    As I thought Microsoft have seen sense and backed down from it's tougher stance

    linky
    Yet when asked about this by another site, MS had no comment. So until there's an official statement on this posted by MS itself, I don't think anything has changed.

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    Well the original story claims to have spoken to Microsoft. Bit-tech are usually pretty good.

    As usual Microsoft wont tell us anything about the EULA until they have our money most likely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckskull View Post
    Well the original story claims to have spoken to Microsoft.
    Unfortunately, hearsay from "A Microsoft spokesman from the Licensing Dept" (unnamed) has all the legal weight of a Vicky Pollard defence. This is pure rumour-mongering and spin on MS's part to try to heal some of the PR damage that's been caused without actually giving anything away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charleski View Post
    Unfortunately, hearsay from "A Microsoft spokesman from the Licensing Dept" (unnamed) has all the legal weight of a Vicky Pollard defence.
    yup.

    Like I said we wont get anything concrete until our money has left our hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by douglas_goodall View Post
    I have moved to the Mac for my browsing and email. and I also use ubuntu for fun. That's it. No more money for Microsoft from me. This is sort of a EULAg.
    I'll bet if things get any worse apple will get a new halo effect. First from the iPod then from the problems with Vista's EULA not being quite as scenic as the name implies.

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    The problem is that for the vast majority horrific licence terms have no visible effect - witness the masses lapping up DRM infected music from iTunes. The same is true here - unless it's so prohibitive to touch on the lives of joe average user then most Vista users will be oblivious to it's existence.
    I'll playing "wait and see" - even if the actual terms result in locked down software they'll be a "patch" to fix it for those that care.

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