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    Re: Best way to Cat5 my house

    I must admit i'm waiting until my flatmate goes away for DIY phase 2

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    Re: Best way to Cat5 my house

    Outside is the only option i have i think due to the way this dolls house was made.

    I think i will just take it out of the master bedroom and down the front of the house and then under the window sill and back in through the downstiars toilet, and then run that to the downstairs switch.

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    Re: Best way to Cat5 my house

    not sure whether it'll help, but I moved into a new house 2 1/2 years ago and sounds similar dot and dab construction. I was stupid and didn't think about networking it when they built it. What I did ask (read: pay) them to do was put in tv aerial points in all the bedrooms and the study downstairs.

    They forgot to do this of course, and the sparky that turned up just cut a whole in the plasterboard for the backbox, and got out his extend-able pole! something like this: http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Hand...0/sd170/p75799

    Anyway, seemed to take him about all of 2 minutes to run the aerial cables down from the loft. All except the one downstairs in the study, cos they had put the upstairs floorboards right up against the outside wall, so no gap. He had to take that one down the soil pipe which was handily about a foot away from where we wanted the socket.

    So when I finally got round to networking the place, I bought a pack of the rods. You push the rods through between the wall and the plasterboard - i found going down from the loft was easier than going up. Emphasis on the easier - I swore more times in one weekend than I have ever done before. Absolute pain the in the !

    But eventually managed to get cables to everywhere I needed to go. I was lucky - I only wanted to put them on external walls so just dropped the cable down the inside of the external wall which was obviously one continuous drop. except for those slabs of plaster from the dot and dabbing getting in the way and upstairs floor boards pushed too close to the outside wall...

    Going outside maybe (probably) much easier and quicker, but I like the neatness of it now that it's done. Just wish I'd put in cat 6 as RichW suggested. oh, and 2 cables in each place like he suggested

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    Re: Best way to Cat5 my house

    Exactly how many sockets do you need, if its not many you could "cheat" and use the new ethernet over power lines equipments....
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    Ethernet over power if you don't want the mes/stress mate...
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    Re: Best way to Cat5 my house

    Mess is going to cause some serious i think so maybe i will have to use Ethernet over power.

    I am looking at the following ports, 1 In Mater Bedroom (Server Room) 1 In Girls Bedroom, 3 In Lounge (1 Earmarked for MCE), 2 In Kitchen (1 Earmarked For Wall Mounted Imac)

    How reliable are these Ethernet over power things, am i going to get a decent enough speed? I dont want to do half a job and just get EOP becuase i cant be botherd trying to feed the cables through the place, i have also thought about getting an electrician to come and quote me the job i can wire the cables to the faceplates i just need them running in the walls.

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    Re: Best way to Cat5 my house

    Ethernet over power gets expensive quite quickly!

    If your in a classic red brick house i'd have to say wire it properly, the performance benefits are hudge, plus with cat5e/6/(5 if the distance is short) you can run HDMI etc too!

    Can you pull back the carpet at all to get to the floor boards? If the carpet is good quality, has been down a while, and so long as you do it slowly you can get it back without damaging the shape. The naughty kitten taught me that.

    If not 'fake' skirting board that has a groove cut out in it. Given that decent powerline adapters are £100, and also a pain (you don't want to put them on a plug bar, you want to put them right on the main socket etc.) Replacing the skirting board is easy, and depending on the size of your house not *too* expensive!
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    Re: Best way to Cat5 my house

    Quote Originally Posted by TheAnimus View Post
    Ethernet over power gets expensive quite quickly!

    If your in a classic red brick house i'd have to say wire it properly, the performance benefits are hudge, plus with cat5e/6/(5 if the distance is short) you can run HDMI etc too!

    Can you pull back the carpet at all to get to the floor boards? If the carpet is good quality, has been down a while, and so long as you do it slowly you can get it back without damaging the shape. The naughty kitten taught me that.

    If not 'fake' skirting board that has a groove cut out in it. Given that decent powerline adapters are £100, and also a pain (you don't want to put them on a plug bar, you want to put them right on the main socket etc.) Replacing the skirting board is easy, and depending on the size of your house not *too* expensive!
    I can manage running the cable around on level of the house e.g. the downstairs but i cant get it into my head how i would get it to the patch panel upstairs, becuase every cable i have downstairs would need to terminate at the panel so getting it upstiars is going to be a interesting task i feel.

    The lower level of the house is not floor boarded, it is solid concertete and the carpet has been laid directly onto that, upstairs could be a different kettle of fish becusae i am sure they have laid chipboard sheets across the floor rather than the conventional boards, so i may have to rip up half of one room just to get a cable under the surface.

    These fake skirting boards seem to be an optoion for running the cabe around the house. I will have to look into this.

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    Re: Best way to Cat5 my house

    Quote Originally Posted by Drobbins View Post
    ... mailnly studded walls so pushing it through would be easy enough but i cant get my head around how you would pull it up the wall once it is in their.
    take a look at the electrician's rod's I linked to above. You push the rod up/down the gap between the plasterboard and the wall, tape the cable to one end and then pull it through. Obviously if you are only dealing with internal stud walls I guess this won't work as I think there are horizontal batons across them. But if you do have a brick/breeze block wall with plasterboard on top, this may give you one route upstairs if nothing else.

    try taking a wall socket out and seeing how much space there is behind the plaster board - as above I think your house sounds similar new construction to mine, and I have just run cables between the plasterboard and external breeze block wall. The cables run straight up to the loft from each socket on the ground floor (upstairs would have been even easier as no sodding chipboard floor boards in the way anywhere, and less dot/dab lumps of plaster.) all the wires then meet together at the switch in the loft.

    I think with ethernet over power that the rated speed is the total for all connections. Not a problem if you're just linking one pc to your router elsewhere. Much bigger problem if you're wanting to connect 3 different media pc's, a router, file server etc... all together.

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    Re: Best way to Cat5 my house

    Quote Originally Posted by Drobbins View Post
    I can manage running the cable around on level of the house e.g. the downstairs but i cant get it into my head how i would get it to the patch panel upstairs, becuase every cable i have downstairs would need to terminate at the panel so getting it upstiars is going to be a interesting task i feel.
    Someone suggested two switches - one upstairs, one downstairs - this is a brilliant idea, all you then need is one cable run, be it external or internal.

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    take a look at the electrician's rod's I linked to above. You push the rod up/down the gap between the plasterboard and the wall, tape the cable to one end and then pull it through. Obviously if you are only dealing with internal stud walls I guess this won't work as I think there are horizontal batons across them. But if you do have a brick/breeze block wall with plasterboard on top, this may give you one route upstairs if nothing else.
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    Re: Best way to Cat5 my house

    Take a look at Comtrend powerline adapters on eBay.....I bought two 200mbps ones for £33

    I'm looking at buying a house that needs a total rewire, so I'm going to get a quote for putting a load of network ports in too.

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    Sorry but I have to go against's s_kinton advice and say avoid the Comtrend's as they aren't that great and cause a lot of interferance and in some case's have been removed from service (searching the thinkboardband forums will yield further info on this subject!).

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    Re: Best way to Cat5 my house

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    Re: Best way to Cat5 my house

    You could always get 2 wifi routers, eg wrt54g with ddwrt firmware, one for downstairs and one for upstairs and configure them to bridge the lan over a wpa secured wifi link.
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    Re: Best way to Cat5 my house

    I'm suprised nobody's mentioned tape?

    Run standard network cables along the carpet by the skirting board and put gaffer tape over them in areas where they are going to be stepped on or go under doors. Make sure it's good tape though cos the cheaper stuff will just peel up. You can lay down more cable if your usage changes. Plan where you're going to put things so you don't have to run the wires across corridors or other open areas very much and run them under doors on the side with the handle so the door scrapes the tape less.

    Not really a permanent solution but it is pretty easy and does the job well, did this when I was living in student accomadation since it was cheaper than wifi (and better for gaming on) and still do it now.

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