You get what you pay for....

[Marcos]

2009

Only a couple of decades behind then. I think by then i would have had enough of the internet and be too busy with a career

[aidanjt]

I have 4MB in my office and regularly max it out.

You single handedly max out 4mbps?.. I highly doubt it, and if you are its unlikely to meet company policy on internet useage, or even copywrite law.

[Marcos]

Fileplanet.com, IGN Insider, bassdrive.com radio, winamp TV, car video clips, drum and bass mixes. Easy gigabytes

[DaBeeeenster]

You single handedly max out 4mbps?.. I highly doubt it, and if you are its unlikely to meet company policy on internet useage, or even copywrite law.

Yes, I regularly, single handedly max out 4mbps. You "highly doubt it"? Are you suggesting I am telling porkies? You want me to post some bandwidth graphs?

It does meet company policy; it's my company. We work in web development. I often need to download large databases, large creative assets, software patches etc. etc.

[Stoo]

I might also add that having anything more than 4mbps at home is completely and utterly pointless, the chances of maxing out even 4mbps with a single download is nearly nil, much less 18mbps, I can't understand whats with the obsessive 'need for speed' attitudes, personally i'd be happy as a pig in ****e with 2mbps SDSL.. I wish BT would focus on that instead of wasting resorces on ADSL2+ network development/intergration.
oh, and ADSL1 is capible of 1mbps upstream and 8mbps downstream, so whats the point in having ADSL2+ if they havn't even streached the limit (or anywhere near as close) of the existing technology?..

Nice lack of insight there bud..

The reason that these monster connections will be needed?

Easy, high-bandwidth content that ISP's would want to push on us, right now we've got things such as iTunes for downloading LEGAL music, imagine the revenue possibilities of PPL (High quality streaming audio) or PPV TV Shows, and even Movies..
All of those will require large chunks of bandwidth, and once you're at that point, real distributed computing becomes a very real possibility, how about a system where you have a screen and input devices and you just rent your processing power from an online server farm? You'd never have to worry about upgrading ever again..

Once you have the network in place you can then start to have the applications to use it..

What about those in Japan where 100MBit connections are common and cheap (~£40 a month), would you like to imply that because they have large bandwidth services the entire country is nothing but a nation of pirates?

No, I didn't think so..

[Moby-Dick]

You single handedly max out 4mbps?.. I highly doubt it, and if you are its unlikely to meet company policy on internet useage, or even copywrite law.

www.dictionary.com

as·sump·tion Audio pronunciation of "assumption" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-smpshn)
n.

1. The act of taking to or upon oneself: assumption of an obligation.
2. The act of taking possession or asserting a claim: assumption of command.
3. The act of taking for granted: assumption of a false theory.
4. Something taken for granted or accepted as true without proof; a supposition: a valid assumption.
5. Presumption; arrogance.
6. Logic. A minor premise.
7. Assumption
1. Christianity. The taking up of the Virgin Mary into heaven in body and soul after her death.
2. A feast celebrating this event.
3. August 15, the day on which this feast is observed.

I'm going to assume you are a mis-informed fool.


does it make me any more right ?

[Stoo]

<pendant>btw, isn't it "Copyright"?</pedant>

[aidanjt]

what im saying is.. do you *NEED* all this bandwidth? do you *NEED* super duper realtime ultra high audio and video live feeds? will it make your life or productivity better?.. no, it wont. Its all waste, pure crap and marketing, no single server connection is going to give you full bandwidth, few servers max out my humble 512kbps ADSL line, nevermind if I was to have 1000000gbps, you people need to start thinking and cut out the dreaming. We need efficency, not more wasted bits for spammers and script kiddies to choke the internet with.

[DaBeeeenster]

what im saying is.. do you *NEED* all this bandwidth? do you *NEED* super duper realtime ultra high audio and video live feeds? will it make your life or productivity better?.. no, it wont. Its all waste, pure crap and marketing, no single server connection is going to give you full bandwidth, few servers max out my humble 512kbps ADSL line, nevermind if I was to have 1000000gbps, you people need to start thinking and cut out the dreaming. We need efficency, not more wasted bits for spammers and script kiddies to choke the internet with.

erm, did you actually read my post?

[Moby-Dick]

high bandwidth connections are not the "fix-all" solution for everything , but they can facilitate technology drives.

we dont *need* to play FPs games in 24 bit colour at 80fps , isn't the original doom good enough ?

I remeber 20 odd years ago , someone trying to disuade me from upgrading to a VGA graphics card.

"you dont need to view more than 4 colours to play golf"

Products like an online backup service would not be possible without a good, high speed connection. - I'm not talking pretty graphics or umpteen channel sound , I'm talking about exchange message stores for example.

[Stoo]

what im saying is.. do you *NEED* all this bandwidth? do you *NEED* super duper realtime ultra high audio and video live feeds? will it make your life or productivity better?.. no, it wont. Its all waste, pure crap and marketing, no single server connection is going to give you full bandwidth, few servers max out my humble 512kbps ADSL line, nevermind if I was to have 1000000gbps, you people need to start thinking and cut out the dreaming. We need efficency, not more wasted bits for spammers and script kiddies to choke the internet with.

Welcome to the year 542bc..

You don't actually *need* 99.9% of the things in life, so that argument goes nowhere.

[aidanjt]

DaBeeeenster.... are your database transactions compressed?

I can download full sources of apache, php, and mysql in about 35 mins on my 'pathetic' 512kbps line. Is that unreasonable? I don't think so, maybe i just have patience which the majority of the population doesn't have, I just don't jump on the bandwagon, and I certainly don't want to slam more wasted bits on an already stressed out internet with even higher capacity cheap broadband lines. the script kiddies will have a field day.

[DaBeeeenster]

I regularly have to download images that are > 100 MB from clients and regularly have to take DB dumps of client sites that are > 500MB. I could sit and wait for a 512k line to do the work, but my time is worth more than the 10 quid a month extra I have to pay for a 4MB line. Simple really.

"Stressed out Internet"? What on earth are you talking about?

[Dooms]

I download alot of stuff.. i dont NEED a stupidly fast connection but if its available to me for a resonable price why not? Then i can download the lots of stuff quicker! Plus for the people that dont need or want the stupidly fast options of ADSL2 they still want it to come out so they can happily pay less for their resonably fast enough connection

me... im personaly happy with my 4mb adsl line atm and as soon as another company comes along and offer faster for the same price... ill move, then again and again etc etc

[aidanjt]

Yes, your line of work *requires* more than 512kbps for images and DB dumps, patches aren't a problem, but the majority of people don't require the kinds of bandwidth ADSL2+ is offering other than for bragging rights.

"Stressed out Internet"... as in the daily bombardment the backbones and routing centres take each day with virus activity, DDoS attacks, spamming, excessive unnecessery downloads.. most of these things that internet users are completely oblivious to.

[DaBeeeenster]

Yes, your line of work *requires* more than 512kbps for images and DB dumps, patches aren't a problem, but the majority of people don't require the kinds of bandwidth ADSL2+ is offering other than for bragging rights.

"Stressed out Internet"... as in the daily bombardment the backbones and routing centres take each day with virus activity, DDoS attacks, spamming, excessive unnecessery downloads.. most of these things that internet users are completely oblivious to.

People pay for bandwidth; it is as simple as that. Just because Windows machines are easily compromised has nothing whatsoever to do with ADSL pipe sizes.

If people want 4MB lines, so what? What does it matter to you?