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Oralpain - Please don't try to prove a point by mis-quoting me.Originally Posted by iranu
Illegally or improperly modifying a gun makes it defective.
If you take a semi-automatic pistol (such as a Glock that's used by UK police), chamber a round, cock the hammer, hold the gun in a vice and then hit the hammer as hard as you can with a sledgehammer - the gun will not fire. The mechanism is such, that the only way to discharge the gun is to pull the trigger.
"Reality is what it is, not what you want it to be." Frank Zappa. ----------- "The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike." Huang Po.----------- "A drowsy line of wasted time bathes my open mind", - Ride.
So... could somebody just set the record straight for me please.
I understand that SO19 carry Glock 17's as a side arm.
I understand they also carry MP5's as their main semi-automatic weapon.
What other guns would one find on an SO19 officer? Not necessarily being carried together, but instead of the MP5 for instance? What other guns are licensed to them?
So I'm right in assuming that the British Armed Police, as that's what my personal debate with a friend is about, use MP5's, Glock 17's and Sig Sauers?
They also use H&K G3's and I think one of the northern forces uses the Steyr AUG. Manky police also use the Walther P990, which is a P99 (James Bonds gun!) with a modified trigger group which requires a consistent trigger pull.
Hope I'm not breaking any rules by digging up this thread (my sincere apologies if I am), just wanted to add this:
Never seen or heard of any Armed Police using G3s. I know they use MSG90s (or a similar variant) for sniping duties, but I can see nor think of no practical reason for them to use a G3. That sort of weapon just isn't required anymore, and they certainly aren't carried around in ARVs (chances are they wouldn't even fit!). The firearms safe in the average ARV will usually only accomodate each officer's primary and secondary.
As for weapons that AFOs use, Hampshire uses a certain 9mm S&W pistol, and a number of forces are using the G36C (in the same sort of configuration as their MP5s).
No problem, but read the entire thread first, and you'll understand exactly the reason for them to use a G3. Or indeed a G36, since this is a similar type of weapon.
Do they not use the G3s for sniping though (equipped with scopes of course)? Just going by what I know already, as well as the page on Wikipedia about CO19 (new name!).
They do in some areas I believe, its not hugely expensive, its accurate, good gun.
I'm for the police being allowed to carry guns, isn't a big deal to me, something like 98% of cops in the US never fire their pistol, and we all know the US is a bit trigger happy, so I think, considering training standards would probably be even higher here, that it'd be fine. Would probably make young'ns respect 'em quite a bit more too.
Yes for me. Why put them at a disadvantage against people who have them. Ok, all of them walking around with SMGs would be rather intimidating, but just give them handguns like everywhere else.
The plod seem to carry guns in Europe without killing people every other day. Think one of the main resons the Gov are against it is the cost and manpower increase. To actually get the police to the level where they can safelly use a firearm, and to keep them at that level will take a lot of iitial training, it will also require regular range practice to keep them effective and safe. Hitting anything at over 10m with a pistol is actually quiet hard, dont belive what you see int he cowboy films.
Becoming firearms trained is currently used as part of fast track promotion in England, officers that actually want to do the job of ARV often end up acting as traffic police rather than as specialist response units.
I agree - while I do think that initial training is pretty quick and easy (have done firearms stuff) its the upkeep of the skills that comes back and bites ya. Of course cost is an issue, but for what improvement isn't it one?
I voted 'unsure' I can see there is a need for an armed response officer when it is needed, but for all officers to carry side arms? I'm still not sure that this is the right thing to do yet. All I can see happening is people who operate on the wrong side of the law wanting to get armed because the police are armed--this may be a nieve view--but it's a posibility.
I think more Police should be armed with taiser type weapons, you know offenders could be arested rather that shot.
Again, tasers were covered earlier in the thread. Problem with threads this long is the become cyclical, cos noone reads them. It should have died in August!
I believe there should be selected arming of officers , what i mean by that is specific Uniform officers will be able to carry firearms and cause these officers form part of the shifts who attend day to day incidents they will be able to react to firearms incidents quicker than armed response vehicles. That would be a huge benefit to officers safety especially in rural areas.
Voted yes its about time the criminal element feared the police and that the concequences for crime were tuffer. The prison reform trust really annoy me crimals have done wrong so should be punished, not allowed a tv in their cell or internet access. Hard labour! Give the police guns and make them feared by law breakers!
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