Cannabis is a dangerous drug shocker!!

[Punky]

my mistrust of experts comes from the whole "saddam has WOMD" thing.....

[Russ]

"but im no coroner, and i doubt you are, so who are we to comment on his findings?"

By that token who are we to comment on anything? My mistrust of 'experts' comes from the ones who told us in the 90's that there was no possible way to contract BSE from eating infected meat. New Variant CJD anyone? 'Expert' opinion is just as easily bought and sold as any other commodity. Why should I trust it with this in mind?

as we can use our own general knowledge and common sense for most subjects.

[dgr]

my mistrust of experts comes from the whole "saddam has WOMD" thing.....

that wasn't scientists, that as bastard politicans trying to weeve a story to bring the public on board.

in the most cases, it is not the scientists at fault but those that wring out a "truth" from experimental data which didn't imply anything in the first palce!

the exception being lab. mistakes, e.g. the paper printed in 'nature' regarding a link between Ecstacy and Parkinsons (there was none)

dgr

[Swafe]

that articles such BS

[VladTheImpaler]

"Um, where's the proof that nvCJD comes from beef? I haven't seen any. The prion that causes it is not the same as the BSE one. Pure supposition mate."

Oh Yeah? I think not.

Taken from the Department of Health themselves:

"Two studies were published in Nature last week. SEAC have considered the results of these studies and concluded that they provide convincing evidence that the agent which causes BSE is the same as that which causes nvCJD. "

The web address: http://www.doh.gov.uk/cjd/cjd_cmo.htm

I hope the above clears that little misunderstanding up.

[Rave]

Taken from the Department of Health themselves:

"Two studies were published in Nature last week. SEAC have considered the results of these studies and concluded that they provide convincing evidence that the agent which causes BSE is the same as that which causes nvCJD. "

The web address: http://www.doh.gov.uk/cjd/cjd_cmo.htm

I hope the above clears that little misunderstanding up.

Well, I guess I can't say it's definately not the same then- sorry about that. Still, I read the nature articles and they merely state that the transmissivity and symptoms of vCJD and BSE are similar when mice are injected with them. There's nothing to say they are the same. In fact there's this line which suggests in fact they are not the same:

"This is particularly so in the human Prn-p transgenic animals, to which vCJD transmits more readily than BSE. These differences are, however, probably attributable to a 'species barrier' effect for BSE but not for vCJD."

Then there's this quote from the section on what caused vCJD: "There are various possibilities, including a common source for BSE and vCJD". Granted, that's not the author's favoured option, but it seems to me vCJD and BSE could fairly easily be caused by a chemical that mutates the protein in question. The fact that the number of cases diagnosed each year is not increasing makes me think that BSE is not the cause of vCJD, otherwise there should have been a spike by now.

Rich :¬)

[blockers]

Good topic about pot guys

[Swafe]

screw the tories, i was startin to like em over blair, now they say if they get back into power there gonna reclass it as a B drug again


screw that ! it causes little or no harm, so why should it be in the same class as powerful highly damaging drugs!?, i know whos getting my vote, the weed man

[floppybootstomp]

screw the tories, i was startin to like em over blair, now they say if they get back into power there gonna reclass it as a B drug again


screw that ! it causes little or no harm, so why should it be in the same class as powerful highly damaging drugs!?, i know whos getting my vote, the weed man

Haha, Tony Blair, the saviour of spliff Strange old world, eh?

The Tories are desperate for some vote catching ideas, an election isn't that far off. They just trying to win voters over, whether they've made a mistake or not with their line on dope, hard to tell. What was the last major headline they made? Why, one of their number suggested some speed cameras were a jolly bad idea. So he's likely expecting everybody nicked by a speed camera would vote for his party.

The pillock.

Actually, Tories, Blair's Labour, they're all the same, just different colour rosettes. Olde England is dying, for better or worse.

[Spritzup]

It's crazy the debate that goes on over pot. Though it's nice to see that it happens all over the place. I firmly believe that like most things in life, if you smoke to EXCESS, it can be damaging to you. But most things you do to excess can be damaging. From around April 2003 to November 2004, pot was legal (in a way) in Ontario, Canada. When it first happened people felt there was going to be mad amounts of public intoxication, random acts of violence, etc. (many of the same arguments used during prohibition). But in actuality nothing happened. Pot is once again illegal again, but the politicians are using the excuse that there is no way to test for people driving under the influence. While this makes sense I feel it's only a matter of time before it becomes legal.

The government could make so much money off it that it would be sickening. British Columbia is a huge exporter of pot, and if the government had control over it, and could tax it, they would make a killing. Anyways just my 2 cents. I just find the whole debate amusing because it is much like the prohibition debate of the 20's. And the fact that cigarettes are even more dangerous, but completely legal.

[micovwar]

i have to say imho i hear alot of biased stereotypical views on cannabis but i cannot believe for the love of god that the cannabis was the key factor and responsible for the actions of that guy (freak) who murdered his missus,it just doesnt make u wanna kill people simple as that.

i dont drink becouse quite simply i dont like it (maybe once a yeer if im lucky i have a few,usually christmas) alcohol abuse is the among the biggest manmade killers that the world has seen since time began and it seems that this particular issue is being consistently underlooked when compared to smoking cannabis.
ive smoked cannabis now for over 10 years and im "not ashamed" in the slightest and ironic as it may seem i decided to give up smoking ciggarettes aswell at new year (so theoretically i dont "drink or smoke") so basically i smoke weed now where before ide have a ciggy (only when im at home) i dont do this in public view (although i dont see why i shouldnt becouse of some hypocritical judgement made by a hired fatcat in an expensive siut) infact i getup in the morning and get high then 2 hours later i goto work as straight as anybody else that day and dont get high again until i finnish my shift and get home then spend the rest of the day sitting at my comps smoking weed.

now some people may find thats abit excessive to get high every 30 mins or so instead of having a ciggarete or drinking another bottle of vodka but is that realy so "alien" or indifferent to what millions of people have quite happily done for centurys before us?
what realy annoys the hell outa me is the way my government has ridiculed/alienated and and made a moccery of a recreational supplement which promotes a good feeling/well being/relaxed and calm state of mind "without" the side effects of the individual falling over uncontrollably and cracking their skull on the corner of a kerb then vommiting while simultaneously choking on there own tongue while the blood and brains seep from their gaping cranium wound which was induced by the legal toxins they purchased earlier that night.

im still to this day yet to see any reccorded case of someone dying becouse of the use of cannabis, yet everyday someone succumbs to the horrific effects of ciggarettes and alcohol becouse there "LEGAL" now please dont get me wrong i have no issue at all with the fact that ciggarettes and alcohol are legal and have as much respect for those who use them as i do for those who dont,but it just seems all to easy for people to stereotype cannabis "like the government has" as a banned/illegal drug and as such is associated with addicts/needles/heroin/cocaine/amphetamines/and all other serious chemical killers to people who dont know any better or understand the confusion between the drug catagories ((reguardless of the fact that the government refuses to acknowledge the medicinal propertys of cannabis and the benefits that it holds in pain relief for thousands around the globe from "ironically" cancer patients to stroke victims and multiple sclerosis and m.e. sufferers,while they spend millions of pounds on scientists to create yet another "so called" wonder potion which will be a coctail of chemicals that will have serious side effects in the long run anyway and be of no benefit whatsoever,if only to prolong the aggony and discomfort of the unfortunate patient who just longs for a few puffs of cannabis so they can feel some kind of normallity for a few hours a day)) i dont wanna make this into a serious alcohol/cigarretes vs cannabis debate but i have no option but to vent my frustrations in the form of my statement/2 cents, of the ignorance of people who refuse to see the other side of the coin (in politics and out) when it comes to the subject of cannabis!!

i do not promote the use of cannabis in this statement, nor do i condone it,i quite simply feel that whoever chooses to use it (like those who choose to drink and smoke) does so at thier own risk and lesiure and should not be judged for doing so.

i refuse to appologise to any1 offended with this statement and stand up for my right to my oppinion!

LEGALISE IT!!

[Swafe]

The Tories are desperate for some vote catching ideas, an election isn't that far off. They just trying to win voters over, whether they've made a mistake or not with their line on dope, hard to tell. What was the last major headline they made? Why, one of their number suggested some speed cameras were a jolly bad idea. So he's likely expecting everybody nicked by a speed camera would vote for his party.

exactly my point, they only said we will make it class b, because quite a few ppl, such as the old foges that dont really know about just think druuugs...baaad, and they know they'd sooner to it as a class b drug so users will get prosecuted.

i agree with the comment about winning votes, thats basically all its about, theres no proof it causes harm so why make it illegal ? i havnt seen it damage anyone, there only doing it for publicity and votes...not a way to win an election

[Punky]

i'd never vote for the tories anyway, they are waaaay too outdated. i'm gonna vote Lib Dem, cos i like em, they got good policies and their councillor round here bought me a pint on new years eve if you are gonna take the cannabis thing to a voting level, then use your vote wisely and vote for LCA (legalise cannabis alliance) - it can only be a good thing.
peace.

[G4Z]

Great post micovwar, you should come round my place for a joint




where do you live fella!!?!?!

[mark22]

Haven't been round here for a while but thought i give you my 2p.

It seems most of you know little of the effects of drugs.

Cannabis and speed are the two most dangerous drugs as far as mental health goes.

Cannabis will cause serious problems for anyone who is claustrophobic or agoraphobic or has any kind of nervous issues such as being round people.

Speed is the worst, it changes brain chemistry and leads to many people going into mental health problems. So as far as reclassyfying anything, cannabis should be put back up to B if u ask me.

I would try and justify what i say but i'm sure u could find this out if u look. I know this from experience of friends and people who work at places such as CDT.

So i guess if you're going to do anything don't do speed, coke don't make u feel rubbishrubbishrubbishrubbish the next day and is much better anyway. Just thought I'd lighten my post up.

[floppybootstomp]

I would think that for any person with an underlying mental health problem, taking 'recreational' drugs isn't going to do them any good at all. But for the majority of 'normal' people, cannabis is for the most part harmless, in my experience.

Speed is lethal stuff, it destroys brain cells, can cause insomnia, paranoia and a host of other nasties.

Cocaine puts a great strain on the heart. And it's expensive.