another cannabis thread

[revol68]

sorry al but grassing someone in over benefits is really low!!

Just out of interest, what is the genral view on dole touts in england, in Northern Ireland it is frowned on very seriously, even peelers i know find it disgusting.

actually touts of any kind in northern ireland are hated by all sides even the peelers (they may take the information but they have really low opinions on the grasses, i should know my da was a reserve peeler for a few years).

obviously there are exceptions, murders, rape, child abuse etc but all in all touting is frowned on.

[Allen]

revol68 I don't care if you think I'm low, and my feelings of you are not much better but I'm not publicy slating you for what you chose to do. And are you telling me that you're quite happy to pay your taxes (if you do) for some lazy slob to claim several benefits he didn't deserve just so he could relax at home and drive around in a nice car whilst you sit and your desk day in day out working damn hard to make the same kind of money he does?? Don't be a fool.

And Punky, if you saw someone drinking whilst driving, all over the road, obviously drunk or someone carrying a gun and the next morning you saw on the news that that person had killed a little girl, would you still be proud of yourself for not grassing him up? Grow up. I can't believe some people on here don't have any morals any more!

[Russ]

its one of those things al, if your mate punched some 1 in the face, you would'nt grass him up would you.

but if your mate was a paedophile, and you found out, you probably would do something.

and punky, for once, im in the sorta mood this week, where u can win, everyone toke till your ears fall off

[Allen]

Russ, if he punched someone for a reason (like defense), then no. If he repeatedly punched someone till they collapsed and then continued some more, I'd probably drag his sorry behind down the station myself.

[floppybootstomp]

Grasses? It depends on the crime.

Yes, I'd grass somebody for some crimes.

But wrongly claiming benefits? No way. I salute anybody who can get something for free from The State. The total amount 'lost' on fraudulent benefit claims is but a drop in the ocean compared to what politicians waste and squander every single day, but nobody seems to mention that. It's a matter of perspective.

But, as ever, Goverments divide and rule by pointing the finger at a 'scrounging' minority whilst the real crimes take place in Westminster.

[Punky]

nowt wrong with scrounging off the state. they spent enough money on useless crap (nukes, guns etc...) that people deserve to get a bit for free.

[Big RICHARD]

nowt wrong with scrounging off the state. they spent enough money on useless crap (nukes, guns etc...) that people deserve to get a bit for free.

You do realise that having Nuclear weapons gives the UK the power of veto and permanent membership of the UN security council, don't you?

You also realise that guns aren't useless. Imagine if we had no army...... How many states in the world would take a liking to our lifestyle and walk in with THEIR guns and take over?

Don't be so stupid! I work hard for a living and 1/3 of my salary disappears into the pockets of those scrounging bastards who can't be bothered to work. I don't want to pay for their ciggarettes and cannabis!

[Allen]

Don't be so stupid! I work hard for a living and 1/3 of my salary disappears into the pockets of those scrounging bastards who can't be bothered to work. I don't want to pay for their ciggarettes and cannabis!

Here here! Nice to see another mature person has their head on straight.

[floppybootstomp]

So you two are saying that some people spend their benefit money on marijuanna? Most people living on State benefits, the breadline, couldn't afford to buy any Puff. Those fraudulently claiming, well, maybe, just maybe a few support a habit. So what? Think of it as spreading a little happiness

There really is too much hatred. Some people are so focused on what they perceive as a whole army of scroungers spending all their tax money on drugs and alcohol they become really bitter and twisted about it. Of course, there is some truth in it, but nowhere as near as the problem they imagine it to be.

In fact, I sometimes think some people couldn't live a fulfilling life unless they had some hate to concentrate on. It not good being a Hater.

As I've said elsewhere, you're being manipulated to not see the bigger picture. Our 'leaders' divide and rule in subtle ways.

And FWIW, I'm glad we have a nuclear deterrent, I support our armed forces and I was pro Blair taking action in Iraq. Now, if only some Goverment money was directed to buying our troops some decent combat gear, I'd be even happier.

Any action that may suppress terrorist action on a scale such as 9/11, I'm for it. Sooner or later, such a thing will probably hit this Country. There may be widespread carnage. Will that change some people's minds about action we're taking in the Middle East? I wonder.

This may not have an awful lot to do with this original thread title but I'm just trying to illustrate that my views on different subjects don't conveniently fall into red or blue areas, I value the UK's ability to defend itself but I also value our Freedom. And when you think about it, one depends on the other, does it not?

[Allen]

I don't think I'm being manipulated, I base my views on what I see as I've said many times before. Now yes, some of you may think (as already pointed out many times) that this is wrong, but I couldn't give a toss if you think it's wrong. It's my views and there for I don't have to think what anyone else wants me to think.

I pay taxes. I knew someone who fraudulantly got benefits from my taxes. I knew that this person used these benefits to support a lifesytle including cannabis use. That's enough for me to base my opinions on.

I did not say once that ALL people claiming benefits are doing so fraudulantly. I did not say that all people claiming benefits (fraudulantly or not) were cannabis users. And I am not normally a person who 'hates' everything. I don't think I am a hater. I just get very agitated about a certian few subjects. I also agree with freedom, I agree with Blair's decision to go into Iraq, I agree with supressing terrorism, I agree with helping those less needy than us (be it UK citizens or not!) but I don't agree with breaking the law just because you believe it's shouldn't be a law.

[Big RICHARD]

It's not hatred. I don't hate these people. I pity them, but not hate.

Why can't they work? I can and do!

So you two are saying that some people spend their benefit money on marijuanna? Most people living on State benefits, the breadline, couldn't afford to buy any Puff. Those fraudulently claiming, well, maybe, just maybe a few support a habit. So what? Think of it as spreading a little happiness

There really is too much hatred. Some people are so focused on what they perceive as a whole army of scroungers spending all their tax money on drugs and alcohol they become really bitter and twisted about it. Of course, there is some truth in it, but nowhere as near as the problem they imagine it to be.

You wanna bet? Try coming up to the North East and seeing it with your own eyes! There are thousands trying to find their way on to 'the nash'! Apparantly, getting on disability is the one to get if you can! As soon as you are on it, you might as well be made for life! It is VERY rare for anyone to be taken off it. I KNOW these people, so don't try telling me that it isn't as bad as it is made out to be! It most definitely is!

[Big RICHARD]

Oh, and a HUGE majority spend their dole money on drugs, mainly cannabis, with odd ones on Coke, Speed and Heroin (or as my mate calls them, 'pills, potions and powders'). They then live off the money they get for working 'fiddle', where they claim benefits they aren't entitled to, work and don't pay income tax. This is a HUGE problem!

The other popular one is falling over all the time and claiming compensation from the council for uneven pavements etc.

[floppybootstomp]

Big Richard: It's true I don't have any figures to base my assumptions on. Wish I had some statistics, maybe. But I wouldn't mind betting that the percentage of scroungers against percentage of full time workers is tiny.

It's just that your everday normal worker/tax payer doesn't stand out so much as somebody claiming benefits.

And, by way of mentioning, some of these people actually are disabled. Imagine if you lost half a leg tomorrow through no fault of your own and you couldn't carry on in your current employment? Would you expect the State to take care of you?

[Allen]

And, by way of mentioning, some of these people actually are disabled. Imagine if you lost half a leg tomorrow through no fault of your own and you couldn't carry on in your current employment? Would you expect the State to take care of you?

That's crazy. If I had half a leg missing I would still wanna work... but even those who can't work, it's blatently obvious that they would be classed as disabled. They guy I knew claimed for having a bad back years ago, but still claimed because he was never queried. It was fine. He ran around, played football, drove without problems and all sorts.

I've lived in an area where people 'knew' that the majority of claiments were false. They're just too damned lazy! I'm lazy, but I still have to work foy my living. Why? Because I'm lawful and repectful to other people.

[Big RICHARD]

Big Richard: It's true I don't have any figures to base my assumptions on. Wish I had some statistics, maybe. But I wouldn't mind betting that the percentage of scroungers against percentage of full time workers is tiny.

It's just that your everday normal worker/tax payer doesn't stand out so much as somebody claiming benefits.

And, by way of mentioning, some of these people actually are disabled. Imagine if you lost half a leg tomorrow through no fault of your own and you couldn't carry on in your current employment? Would you expect the State to take care of you?

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Yes *some* are disabled. Fair enough, the ones that are actually disabled should be looked after. This is not what I'm talking about. None of the ones I know are disabled, they are all trying to get on disability though, because it's the one where you don't get questioned about it once you are on it!

[floppybootstomp]

That's crazy. If I had half a leg missing I would still wanna work... but even those who can't work, it's blatently obvious that they would be classed as disabled. They guy I knew claimed for having a bad back years ago, but still claimed because he was never queried. It was fine. He ran around, played football, drove without problems and all sorts.

I've lived in an area where people 'knew' that the majority of claiments were false. They're just too damned lazy! I'm lazy, but I still have to work foy my living. Why? Because I'm lawful and repectful to other people.

Big Al: If I was disabled, I'd still want to work as well. But supposing I couldn't find work? And yes, I've seen lots of people making false claims for disability they don't have as well. I work for a living too. I'm self-employed. I couldn't exist claiming off the State if I wasn't entitled, I couldn't live with myself, tbh. And earning my own way makes me feel good, proud, even.

But for those that choose to live a loser's life, let them, they're really not doing us workers any harm at all, honestly. As I pointed out previously, the money they claim is peanuts compared to the Nation's budget. If these 'scroungers' are doing that much wrong, they will get theirs eventually, one way or the other. I believe in that, call it what you will, Karma, whatever.

Live and let live.