Obama - If you state he is wrong, you are racist (if you are not black)?

[directhex]

Where on earth did you get that idea?! For one loads of Poles came here when the germans invaded to fight along side us, we welcomed them and a lot stayed afterwards. Older Polish people speak very highly of the English and the same can be said of older english people about poles, my grand parents for example have recounted many war stories to me about the Polish what great fighters they are.

I've got lots of polish friends, I even had a polish girlfriend and she certainly didn't hate me I even went over and met her family and I've never felt more welcome anywhere in the world. The only english people that hate poles are the degenerate morons who can't understand or accept cultural differences period! and the differences aren't big.

I can see your point about how "racism" only applies to ethnic minorities, but thats mainly because white folks don't take so much offense to it or stand up from themselves nor do we use it as leverage. Its important not to forget that race discrimination laws here and in the states apply to all races!

I can also understand up to a point why African Americans hold onto the slavery issue because they have been so down trodden for so long compared to african english folks, in the UK we have been far more accepting of other races than they are in america. America claims to be so civilised, modern and forward thinking but they have got a long way to go to be anything close to the UK and europe.

We have some friends who work at the local BMW plant, and said plant also has a lot of Polish workers. One of said friends is at team-leader level. The following observations have been made:

* The Poles are, to the last man, diligent workers. The laziest of the "ethnic British" workers also happen to be the most anti-Polish
* The Poles are kept at arms' length by the non-Polish - we went to a wii&pizza party one evening where a number of their Polish co-workers had been invited, and said Poles were lovely. They had also never been invited to eat with a British person before that point.

When you have dimwits like the one you quote with foregone (and incorrect) assumptions about "hatred", no bloody wonder there's a lack of integration.

[JPreston]

Your numbers are intentionally misleading. But given the sites you're using for reference, no big surprise.

Have you seen the road safety page, American Highway Holocaust?

At first I was naturally excited to learn such pearls of wisdom as:

A man must have seven alcoholic drinks to drive as dangerously as a sober woman driver.

which is plainly true () but then my spidey-RACISM-sense started tingling when it went on:

Per mile driven, compared to a drinking White man driver who is involved in 9 fatal accidents per billion miles driven a non-drinking black man driver is involved in 164 accidents per billion miles, making him 18 times more likely to have a fatal accident.

But wait, they've got graphs and everything! So it must be true? Let's see where they (claim to) get their data from....it's the UN! Hang on, did the UN really produce a comparative study of racial driving abilities in America (which does, after all, seem the sort of thing that only a nutcase member of Stormfront would bang on about)? Not exactly - the UN study classified drivers according to income and made no mention of race anywhere - but they did look at accident rates worldwide so fortunately:

The following table from the UN first needs to be interpreted. "Low/middle" income means blacks, and "high" income means Whites. Note that there is no category for "high" income in the African Region, suggesting that Whites in South Africa and Rwanda were included in this table and thus caused the figure for Africa to be lower than if it was only blacks. It confirms that blacks in general, even though their ownership of motor vehicles is less than 1% that of Whites, are two to three times more likely than Whites [read: "high income" in "region of the Americas", and "high income" in "European Region"], and Western Asians [read: "high income" in "Western Pacific Region"], to have a fatal traffic accident.

Conclusion: the UN says that an american who is black (like Barrack Obama, who fortunately has a chauffer now) is as dangerous behind the wheel as a truck driver in somewhere like Somalia (where they don't have tarmacked roads, electric street lights, driving tests, minimum driving age, money to keep vehicles in safe running order or any legal requirement to do so, or access to modern medicine). Because it's obviously genetic, you see.

AAAAAH HA HA HA HAAAAAAAA

[usxhe190]

yeah I only linked articles from that site that had actual factual information on and not conspiracy theories. They (the links) are both easy to understand and to the point....

And you are telling me you will have a 1 or a 2:1 BA honors HISTORY in your personal message to me? I hope you haven't been scammed from a fake university (e.g. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7175730.stm).

Thanks also for your threat of "sort me out" but given I am currently not in the UK, please afford a ticket first.

As for finding a pic of my gf on the Internet, I guess I should be grateful that you took the effort to do a search.

I do feel sorry for you though.

[JPreston]

"English hate the Poles, Poles hate the English" - which is presumably why the Poles came to England, because they hate everyone here. That's also why it makes such perfect sense to say "If you hate Poland so much, why don't you go live there?" I suppose

[Salazaar]

english hate polish, polish hate english

I'm a quarter Polish, who should I be hating?

My grandad was one of those who came over to fight the hun, took part in the battle of Monte Cassino IIRC.

If you want to go back further, on my other Grandad's side I think there's some dutch and french, just to keep things nice and mixed up.

[No.72]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy

[directhex]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony

[0iD]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigotry

[directhex]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pokemon

[Moby-Dick]

No. 72 - if I find out you've been sending threatening PM's to other hexus members you might as well log out now because you wont be coming back.

[JPreston]

I don't know if there is rule about what avatars are impermissable but I wonder if it's OK to sport a fascist symbol as one, apparently without irony:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Union_of_Fascists

[0iD]

I don't know if there is rule about what avatars are impermissable but I wonder if it's OK to sport a fascist symbol as one, apparently without irony:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Union_of_Fascists

Blimey, live & learn

[TheAnimus]

I would urge the mods not to ban him, because at the end of the day he isn't going to get any followers here, as someone who has just finished an interracial relationship and is pursuing another, whilst been 'pure' british (ie, i was born in german as my dad was in the army, and he was born in india, because his dad was in the army... allegidly we're scottish), i'd love to hear more.

I would have actually thought this was a joke:
http://christianparty.net/pollblacks.htm
It just reminds me of the whole brasseye thing "something intresting happens when we replace the graph, with foxes heads on sticks".

I'm guessing he is a bit young, and as such i think it would be intresting to see how long he is able to keep facist views in a veritable uptoipia like hexus!

[SeriousSam]

Out of interest I looked up definitions for "Facism" as I sometimes think it's an over / miss-used word these days, plus I wanted to check I had it right in my head too

Number 1
[Fascism is] a genuinely revolutionary, trans-class form of anti-liberal, and in the last analysis, anti-conservative nationalism. As such it is an ideology deeply bound up with modernization and modernity, one which has assumed a considerable variety of external forms to adapt itself to the particular historical and national context in which it appears, and has drawn a wide range of cultural and intellectual currents, both left and right, anti-modern and pro-modern, to articulate itself as a body of ideas, slogans, and doctrine. In the inter-war period it manifested itself primarily in the form of an elite-led "armed party" which attempted, mostly unsuccessfully, to generate a populist mass movement through a liturgical style of politics and a programme of radical policies which promised to overcome a threat posed by international socialism, to end the degeneration affecting the nation under liberalism, and to bring about a radical renewal of its social, political and cultural life as part of what was widely imagined to be the new era being inaugurated in Western civilization. The core mobilizing myth of fascism which conditions its ideology, propaganda, style of politics and actions is the vision of the nation's imminent rebirth from decadence.

Number 2
A form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation or victimhood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion.

Amusingly apart from a couple of points the second definition reminded me of the Labour Party...

[Zak33]

As an aside there is no such thing as race, it's an artificial social construct.

post of the week

For the Win..

WE... are the HUMAN RACE.... the colour of our skin has zero to do with it. Race does not exist in truth.

[Zak33]

addition:

Kilngon's are another race
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klingon

See... different race, not just slight variance of skin colour, or ability to eat yams and sprint faster than a chap with a penchant for warm beer and battered cod. That's just part of life's rich tapestry.