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    Arrow Another Disgruntled Buyer! edit: SYSTEM IN HAND!

    OK, it became clear a while ago to me that there were going to be issues with this process so I started keeping a diary. Enjoy!

    05/03
    Received phone call from sales responding to my sales questions about DAW systems and delivery (needing refund as web front end adds the standard delivery for 3xs systems on top of the Netsolve charge). Also asked if it was ok to have drive parititioned etc. Happy with sales guy calling me back after my query and answered my questions. I checked that Netsolve would be flexible with delivery time and even do evening deliveries. Response was that they'll call me and sort it all out.

    07/03
    Placed order.

    09/03
    Email from "philip p" about system build.

    14/03
    Replied to email from philip p (address is the queries scan email alias though) with build requests for partitioned main drive.

    17/03
    Email from Kerry stating build is booked in.

    18/03 (approx)
    With no response to my email, I sent the same details about drive partition requirements this time through the web front end.

    26/03
    Receive email saying system is being built, huzzah! Happy to accept the delay up to this point due to stock shortages.

    27/03
    Try to call 3xs build team to check if they are partitioning my drive, but no answer.

    28/03 (morning)
    Try getting in touch with ANYONE at Scan, so choose customer services/general. I request a callback from build team as I need to get this resolved before software install.

    28/03 (afternoon)
    Email saying software is being installed (stage 5). No callback so I try again. No response when I try to get transferred to build team. I feel sorry for the guy on the end of the phone here as I really talked some c**p to him and he said he was new.

    Check the forums, seems some people are getting responses and help from a Scan admin there. I register. Activate my account but then can't post because me account needs to be approved.

    29/03
    Emails for QC and 24 hr burn in (stage 6+7) Still no callback. Seeing as we're at the end of the build process I'd love to confirm whether my request has been actioned. Try to call customer services again. Think I may have had the same new guy as yesterday. Request to speak to complaints department.

    He starts to put me through to build team. I request to speak to complaints again only to be told the person that deals with complaints is out of the office today. I request a callback and joke that it's probably not likely I'll get that tomorrow. He tries to put me through to the build team. No answer.

    He states he'll keep pestering them to call me.

    Account on forums still not activated, so still can't ask for support on there where people seem to be getting action.

    30/03
    Still no call back, no email progressing beyond QC (despite ETA yesterday was 1 day away) and still can't post on the Hexus forum.

    30/03 ~7.30pm
    Finally get a call back. Allegedly the guy that deals with the emails wasn't in the office for the last few days. Yes they got my email and he was going to go and check that my system was configured as I requested. Email received later that evening confirming PC set up correctly. Service on the phone was great, thank you.

    Just a pity no one seemed to be checking the emails in the guys absence.

    01/04
    Email stating awaiting despatch. Why did that take two days from call from support?

    01/04 17:41
    Email from netsolve saying they will be picking my order up in the next 24 working hours and will then contact me for delivery. 24 working hours? Does this translate to 3 working days or 1 working day?

    Out of curiosity I check out their website. For a computer company this is one shocking looking abuse of the internet. What is with the word art banner? The apparant text hyperlinks at the bottom of the page that turn out to be a graphic?
    www(dot)netsolveservices(dot)ltd(dot)uk


    05/04
    Email from Scan stating 3XS system has been picked up for delivery last night... Expecting call from Netsolve today then.

    07/04
    It's now been 1 month since my order. Emailed the address given by Scan on Apr 5th for Netsolve. I included my mobile phone number and asked to be contacted. Given that my first contact from Netsolve was Apr 1st, I'm beginning to think this is an April Fool's joke.

    Checked the forums, seems several other people are having problems with Netsolve. I don't need to post links as I'm sure you've seen the threads already.

    I decide to post my own experiences, but get a message saying my account is still not enabled! I signed up Mar 28th. Emailed forums(at)hexus(dot)net asking why I can't post.

    08/04
    There's an email waiting for me when I check in the morning from Reg @ netsolve (sent at 10.30 the night before).

    We will be delivering your PC on Wednesday 13/04/2011. Unfortunately I cannot give you a time, but will call when on route to you. We can deliver to an alternative local address if required.

    PLEASE CONFIRM VIA EMAIL THAT THIS IS CONVENIENT FOR YOU.
    No apologies, no choice of date.

    Had the PC been delivered the week before I could have arranged working from home to take delivery. As it is, the week 11-15 Apr I'm onsite and so this is not an option.

    They are also meant to set the PC up and ensure it's all setup correctly. How they will do this delivering to an alternative local address (such as work) I don't know. Imagine the case of someone wanting a home PC and not knowing how to set it up, where they were happy to have an engineer come in and plug in all the cables so they wouldn't have to? Yes, great plan... Deliver to an alternative address only have to unplug everything and do it yourself when you get home.

    My response to Reg:

    Unfortunately I am working onsite next week and as such will not be able to take delivery of the PC during normal working hours.

    However, if you can schedule an evening delivery I should be available.

    Are you unable to phone me on the number I provided in my previous email? I would feel more comfortable arranging delivery via telephone and then confirming arrangements via a follow up email.
    Still can't post on Hexus forum. Try the alternative verification link from the joining email. "Your account has been activated but you are currently in the moderation queue to be added to the forum."

    Give up and try creating a new account on a different address. Success, Stomski2 is born!

    I was told by Scan sales team before I ordered that Netsolve would be flexible with delivery times and that's why I was happy to take the extra hit on delivery. For £35 I expect the system to be delivered by THE frickin' A-TEAM, and none of that remake rubbish from last year, I'm talking Dirk Benedict driving up in Face's Corvette and nothing less. Afterwards we'd go hang out and chat up the ladies as only Face-man can... It'd be fun.

    Some important questions -
    1. Why are SCAN so good at making callbacks/communication before the sale is made, but then seemingly bad at callbacks afterwards? I received no callbacks for days re. my build and didn't even receive the callback I requested from the COMPLAINTS handler of all people.

    2. Why does it have to reach the point of making a complaint in public forum before things get actioned properly?

    3. Why has there been no explanation of why this mess has been happening? Is there a problem at Netsolve? Is there a problem at SCAN? Why was no one making sure customer contact was taken care of whilst Phil was out of the office?

    4. What is SCAN going to do to make up for this debacle? It's clear I'm not the only one having problems.

    Will send invoice number to Chris P on the forum seeing as he'll probably ask for it.
    edit: Or at least I would do but my account doesn't have PM privileges yet.
    Last edited by Stomski2; 18-04-2011 at 06:15 PM. Reason: System Delivered, note the change in post icon!

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    Re: Another Disgruntled Buyer!

    Hi Stomski2

    We are sorry for the delivery delays and will look into the other issues mentioned regarding communications

    We are currently looking into the issues regarding deliveries and have asked Netsolve to contact you and arrange a delivery that is convenient to you.

    We are exceptionally busy at the moment and our support lines have been jammed with calls, if you cant get through please leave a answer machine message and we will get back to you

    We are currently restructuring the delivery system with Netsolve and this should be back to the normal 2-3 days by next week

    Once again we apologise for the delays and hope that once you receive the system you are satisfied with the performance and build quality

    Regards

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    Re: Another Disgruntled Buyer!

    Busy or not, it is simply unacceptable for there to be a 12+ day (sorry, 64 working hours) wait from build complete to delivery when a premium has been paid (3.5x the norm) for system delivery.

    Throw in all the other problems we've had and you can understand that I'm starting to regret my choice of retailer.

    If I remember correctly, I've been shopping with SCAN now since about 2000. This is only my second 3XS system in that time - maybe the fact that I haven't needed to buy a new system in 7 years is because my previous 3XS has stood up so well which contributed to me using SCAN again.

    The worst part is, I don't think the delivery problems are even SCAN's fault, although the buck does ultimately stop with them.

    Oh I just noticed this smiley... Seems to be appropriate for the communication problems I had.

    As it seems someone else had a problem with items out of stock, perhaps at the build date email stage there should be an email indicating what's not in stock and an ETA for those items?

    edit: Just noticed the new sticky.

    Please be aware we have had a few issues the last week with the system deliveries and this is being looked into and we are hoping to have resolved by Monday 11th April and Netsolve will be calling all customers today to verify (Friday 8th April)
    It's now closing in on the end of the working day and I haven't had a phone call yet.

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    Re: Another Disgruntled Buyer!

    08/04 ~5.15pm
    Call from Netsolve. Will know more from Monday, but at least they have my available times now.

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    Re: Another Disgruntled Buyer!

    OK, latest updates.

    11/04
    Finally some positive communication. Ken from Netsolve let me know that he's talked to the engineer and they've managed to stretch the timing out to meet my late delivery needs as I can't take time off work this week. Good on ya guys! I can expect delivery Wednesday 6-6.30.

    13/04
    I manage to get back from work in good time such as not to keep the engineer waiting. My optimism from Monday is short lived. Little did I know it would be me that is made to wait. At about 7pm I receive a phone call from the engineer. I had received an email from this man previously stating today as the delivery date, although the tone of the email was very blunt, almost rude.

    It seems that the engineer is the same on the phone as he is in emails. He talked in an irate fluster and I was made to feel very put upon. He said that it would be 8 O'clock by the time he got to me and that he was not prepared to spend so long on the road in one day. I don't believe that this is an issue to do with me and fairly unprofessional to bring up with a customer. I would have settled for a phone call earlier in the day, an apology and statement of when I could expect delivery or who would contact me next.

    After the call I contacted my usual contact at Netsolve, no answer, but I quickly got a call back, very good as it was after office hours. After a lengthy call my situation is now being escalated within Netsolve, but I'm still left without my 3XS system and no information on where Scan stand on my situation other than an assurance above that I'll be happy with the performance and build quality.

    I'm not available during usual working hours this week to start making phone calls to Scan, so the forum will have to do for now.

    Time for more smiley abuse... for the whole situation.

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    Re: Another Disgruntled Buyer!

    13/04
    Receive a PM from Hexus explaining why my first account wasn't activated. Seems there was an error in the personal data I entered, would have been useful to get notified of this early on. The PM asked me questions, but I don't have permissions yet to PM back!

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    Re: Another Disgruntled Buyer!

    As an onlooker to yr situation, I note that Scan seem to have most complaints about 1) their own build machines and 2) RMA., The admin and communication of both of these are shocking to say the least and do give Scan a bad name.

    that's a pity as the Scan guys on here do honestly try to be helpful but are bogged down by poor admin systems.

    it's clearly outside their power do do anything about it, and judging by the length of time I;ve seen such problems and complaints going on for, there's no sign of things improving.

    I wouldn't buy a Scan built system, for that reason. And with RMAs I know that you can't expect anything other than slowness.
    It really is a shame that nobody in power cares enough to do anything about it.

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    Re: Another Disgruntled Buyer!

    14/04
    Woo, PMs in effect. Ty.

    Received a phone call from Paul from Netsolve. Missed it due to work commitments, but called back and left a message saying I was available to take another call. Didn't receive a callback so tried calling again twice and went through to voicemail both times.

    Eventually sent a text and received a text back confirming deliver for Monday morning. Not perfect, but it will have to do.

    As I mentioned above, when I enquired about delivery before I ordered, I asked how flexible Netsolve would be on delivery. I was told they would be able to arrange a delivery to suit me. Why do I still feel that I'm arranging a delivery time to suit them then?

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    Re: Another Disgruntled Buyer!

    Quote Originally Posted by Stomski2 View Post
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    Receive a PM from Hexus explaining why my first account wasn't activated. Seems there was an error in the personal data I entered, would have been useful to get notified of this early on. The PM asked me questions, but I don't have permissions yet to PM back!
    SCAN and HEXUS are separate organisations, and SCAN staff don't have access to all account data. And we get LOTS of new registrations each day, it is impossible to monitor them all. However, I hope your problems have been sorted (both SCAN and HEXUS account) and we (HEXUS) look forward to seeing you around the general and technical forums.
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    Re: Another Disgruntled Buyer!

    Netsolve are currently be re-structured with the intention of improving their customer facing service and their service in general. This is due to the feedback we have received here and we have given to Netsolve.

    The goods news is that we have had near 0 damaged in transit claims, since using Netsolve so you can be assured your system is delivered in the same quality condition as it leaves or build dept.

    We are not perfect but we are here listening and we act where possible to constantly improve our service.

    Best Regards

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    Re: Another Disgruntled Buyer!

    Quote Originally Posted by Nerval View Post
    I wouldn't buy a Scan built system, for that reason.
    As a recent purchaser of a Scan 3XS system, I most certainly would buy one again. I was able to specify exactly the components that I wanted, it was excellent value for money, and the build quality is top-class. However, I would allow a month for delivery (mine took 35 days from placing the order to taking delivery).

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    Re: Another Disgruntled Buyer!

    18/04
    Delivery at about 10.30am, preceded by a phone call telling me when I could expect Reg to turn up.

    Installation went OK. Not bad, but not great. I feel it would be better if things were explained as they were happening. I can imagine someone not being tech-savvy feeling a little confused by what was going on.

    The good news is that the system booted fine and looks great, so thank you! Smiley abuse incoming:



    There we go.

    I had expected the system to already be setup for dual boot, but alas, only one of the partitions has been installed. Not a major problem, I guess there may have been some ambiguity in what I'd requested. I don't think I can do this anyway due to the Win7 EULA, but should have got this straightened out before machine was delivered.
    Last edited by Stomski2; 19-04-2011 at 10:39 AM.

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    Re: Another Disgruntled Buyer! edit: SYSTEM IN HAND!

    Hi Stomski2

    Can you confirm if you ordered 2 versions of Windows with the system?

    If not which version of Windows are you considering setting up for a Dual Boot?

    Please call me on 0871 4724756 to discuss in the morning (leave a message if it goes to voicemail as that means I am already on a call)

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    Re: Another Disgruntled Buyer! edit: SYSTEM IN HAND!

    Sorry Ben, things a little crazy around Easter!

    Didn't order 2 copies of Windows 7, hence why I guess it wasn't installed twice!

    This would of course all been discussed earlier and I wouldn't have had the surprise if I'd have got the correspondence I needed around 27/03.

    Any idea what the BDEDrive parition (300mb) is?

    Also, Acronis backup - I presume this allows me to create a bootable CD to restore my backup images if my OS fails to boot?

    Ta.

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    Re: Another Disgruntled Buyer! edit: SYSTEM IN HAND!

    Hi

    The BDE partition is for Bitlocker Encryption

    You can boot off the Acronis disk itself so you dont need to create a disk

    If you need any advice or help setting a dual boot up let me know, we are back in tomorrow :-)

    Regards

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    Re: Another Disgruntled Buyer! edit: SYSTEM IN HAND!

    No problems on that front, got everything dual-booting and now backed up nicely thank you.

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