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    Genuine RMA rejected for track damage

    Last July, I purchased an almost complete system from Scan ie. everything other than memory, comprising the following:

    ASUS P6X58D-E MoBo £163.52
    Intel Core i7 920 2.66G *OEM* £184.67
    1TB SAMSUNG HD103SJ SATA F3 £48.05
    1GB PALIT GTX460 SONIC £183.84
    LG GH22NS40 22X SATA BLK OEM £15.18
    Corsair 650W 650HXUK 80 PLUS £97.11
    Logi 970264-0120 X-140 Spkrs £15.73
    Arctic AC-MX-2 THERMAL PASTE £3.40
    Noctua NH-D14 Dual Radiator an £60.94

    This, coupled with 6GB of Corsair 9-9-9-24 1600 Mhz RAM, made my new Core i7 system.

    Perhaps within two weeks of building the system, I noticed a slight abnormality: one that meant every time I cold booted my computer, it would recognise 2 GB of memory whilst posting. Curiously, CPU-Z showed 6 GB of memory, of which 2 GB was usable. In effect, on every cold boot, I had to start my computer twice (on any subsequent start-ups, all of the RAM would show up fine). I researched the problem and found that several others with similar systems had experienced it. Some had had success with newer versions of the BIOS for their motherboard, but when I tried this, it was to no avail.

    I lived with the issue for several months, before I decided that I would complain to Scan about it. I did, and in October they issued an RMA for the PSU, CPU and motherboard. Upon realising that this would mean the hassle of dismantling my entire computer and living without it for several days if not weeks, I simply let it be and continued to live with the issue. After all, it was only a hindrance when I cold booted my computer, and I don’t do that particularly often.

    Recently, I decided that enough was enough, and that I’d had enough of having to put up with the problem that under the Sales of Goods act should never have existed in the first place. Therefore, I complained to Scan once again, who suggested that I should get my memory replaced as well. eBuyer (from whom I purchased the RAM) were rather efficient in replacing the entire kit, but unfortunately, I had the issue even with the new set.

    After contacting Scan again, they asked me to update to the latest BIOS. After doing so, I had limited success, although I don’t know if it was just luck, or was actually down to the BIOS. Instead of showing 2 GB of RAM on cold boots, my computer started to show 4 GB. Obviously, the problem had not been solved, and on my request, Scan issued an RMA for the PSU, CPU and motherboard, as before. On Monday 21st of February (which was incidentally also my birthday although that is entirely irrelevant ) I packaged the three items securely in bubble wrap which I purchased from my local post office, and sent it all off for a shocking postage cost of over £20, using Royal Mail Special Delivery.

    On Wednesday, I received an email from Scan, stating that my RMA had been rejected. Rather annoyed, I went on to check the exact reason why, on the website. Here it is: "track damage. one deep scratch, mutli marks near backing plate".

    I don’t quite know what they mean by “track damage”, but if they mean that the tracks on the motherboard are scratched, I’m shocked as to how they can class this as damage caused by misuse of the product. Screws, which rub against the tracks when being tightened, could quite easily have scratched them. How this relates to the original issue, I don’t know. Furthermore, I’m curious as to what the extent of the “multi marks near backing plate” is. I’m well aware that my Noctua NH-D14 is quite large, but its mounting system is known to be excellent, and again, I don’t know how a few marks where the back plate goes can be classed as misuse, seeing as I followed every instruction in both the guide for the motherboard and the installation guide of the heat sink.

    Now, onto the “one deep scratch”; I cannot attest to the fact that this didn’t exist when I sent the motherboard off, as I did not take any photographs, but I certainly didn’t notice it in an inspection of the motherboard before I put it in its packaging. Additionally, I have not done anything to the motherboard which constitutes misuse (why would I?), and my motherboard tray is removable, which makes it far easier to install the board, further minimising the risk of accidental damage. Moreover, it is not stated in Scan’s description of the damage where it is exactly, but if it is in the silicon, there is no reason why it would be the cause of an issue so widespread that with a simple Google search, I was able to find several forum posts describing my problem exactly:

    [Sorry, I had to cut out the URLs due to a posting restriction.]

    I’m convinced that not all of these thread starters have "track damage. one deep scratch, mutli marks near backing plate" on their motherboards.

    My case is quite simple. This particular problem was inherent to my motherboard, and I have not done anything that one can reasonably argue caused the problem. The fact that Scan have responded to my RMA in such a way shows that they don’t understand the problem, and are doing everything they can to avoid respecting their customer, who up until this point has not raised a fuss.

    The whole ordeal has made me reconsider buying from Scan again, but I hope someone with sense and sympathy can deal with the issue I have raised quickly, so I can get back to having a working computer as soon as possible, and so that Scan can uphold their reputation as a reliable and trustworthy company to buy computer components from.

    Sorry for my ramble, and thank you for taking the time to read it.

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    Re: Genuine RMA rejected for no genuine reason

    The problem you have is Scan won't get the board replaced under warranty by the manufacturer if there is ANY damage NO matter what the reported fault (even if there are lots of Google hits - your board is damaged).

    If they won't replace it Scan can't approve the RMA - if there is damage there is damage, there is nothing you can do about that unfortunately.
    Please do not message me about Scan Free shipping, I no longer work for HEXUS.net

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    Re: Genuine RMA rejected for no genuine reason

    Unless the problem can be proved that it is in fact a fault that the board has had since he/she bought it....
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    It was so small that mine wouldn't fit into it

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    Re: Genuine RMA rejected for no genuine reason

    I first reported the problem within six months, so under the sales of goods act it's not for me to prove that the problem was inherent; it's for Scan to prove it wasn't. And stating that there's minor physical damage does not prove it.

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    Re: Genuine RMA rejected for no genuine reason

    http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=204237

    I see you have also posted on BitTech to which I replied

    Quote Originally Posted by und View Post
    My case is quite simple. This particular problem was inherent to my motherboard, and I have not done anything that one can reasonably argue caused the problem. The fact that Scan have responded to my RMA in such a way shows that they don’t understand the problem, and are doing everything they can to avoid respecting their customer, who up until this point has not raised a fuss.

    Sorry for my ramble, and thank you for taking the time to read it.

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    Even if the motherboard was faulty the rejection would of been on Physical Damage, If Scan send the board to Asus we would get the same response of rejection due to the damage. We have responded after inspection that your board has been damaged which is not really hard to understand, we understand your report on the faults you have been experiencing and generally this tends to be a BIOS issue as in this thread the customers are using the same board

    http://forums.hexus.net/scan-3xs-sys...ram-fault.html

    We do respect you would just can't ignore the fact the board is damaged. Please feel free to PM your invoice number I personally have not seen the damage and gone off what you have posted I may be able to have a second look and request pictures to be sent.

    The problems you have been experiencing could of been solved by a Bios update it seems

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    Re: Genuine RMA rejected for no genuine reason

    Unfortunately it was not solved by a BIOS update, making the most resonable thing for me to send it off to you. At no point did it occur to me that the RMA would be rejected due to physical damage, because as far as I was concerned, that didn't exist.

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    Re: Genuine RMA rejected for no genuine reason

    This situation is akin to Toyota (who recently had trouble with faulty accelerator pedals on millions of their cars) advising their customers that their cars will not be fixed because there is a dent in the body work.

    The problem is inherent with X58 chipsets, and having done nothing that could have caused it (this includes that tiny scratch to a trace), I'm frankly flabbergasted that Scan and Asus find it suitable to refuse my RMA.

    Reading through the thread 'REALLY!? ..ASUS!?...wtf...' on Tom's Hardware, it seems like I'm not going to get much further complaining though, so I only ask that I can have my working (except for a minor inherent fault with the motherboard) components back, and my computer assembled again, without incurring any charges beyond the £20+ I spent to send the components to Scan for the RMA.

    I think that would only be reasonable considering the ridiculous situation Scan's and Asus' RMA guidelines have put me in.

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    Re: Genuine RMA rejected for no genuine reason

    Unfortunately it is common to reject any component which shows any physical damage.

    In some cases it is possible to claim a design fault, for example if an SMT component is too close to a mounting hole, but generally a track would not come under this type of issue.

    I would suggest that you get the item back.
    Once you have it, you could try contacting Asus directly for RMA, but I suspect that you will have the same problem. Their telephone number is: 0870 1208340

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    Re: Genuine RMA rejected for track damage

    I am sorry this situation has no gone in your favour I have looked at the queries you have sent and you have been replied to via our online system, via Bit-tech forums and also Hexus forums were you have duplicated all of you requests which required answers to the same questions. If you had simply replied to your original online query rather than multi posting on different forums it would of saved time for our staff chasing the same query I hope you can understand that causing Scan more work will delay our responses. I have made sure your components have been issued a return invoice today please keep you eye on your emails to which will inform you of the returns status.

    Also posted http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=204237

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