Windows or Mac?

[aidanjt]

Currently I'm using Vista as my main OS... Mostly because the idiots at freedesktop.org and the UIfags are screwing up the Linux desktop something shocking. And I'm still pissed at Linus for scrapping the ataraid subsystem.

[Stoo]

XP at work, and on my main machine at home.

OS X 10.5 on my Macbook

Soon to be OS X 10.6 on a shiny new Mac Pro (or whatever the new one will be) to replace my main home machine.

Macbook may be replaced, or just upgraded to 10.6 (unsure yet)

[malice19]

Bring on windows 7... hope its as good as they say

[b0redom]

OSX offers nothing over free alternatives

Plex? You could argue that it's 'just' a port of XBMC, but when it's hooked up with a Logitech Harmony One, it's pretty amazing. The app store is pretty cool too.

and has no one in their right mind would use it for business.

Depends on your business surely? Not having to maintain an A/V solution etc would save a fair bit of cash, plus it's built on BSD, so implements a sensible security policy.

That being said, I use OSX for general use (Word processing, Internet etc etc etc)
Vista for gaming
Linux for fileserving

Each has their own good and bad points.

[TheAnimus]

Wooh thread revival!

Plex < MediaBrowser.

No one would use it for business is a generalisation. The A/V market that dosen't want to use premire on windows, or the really bespoke stuff with custom keyboards....... Wow, thats a big market there!

Does it account for 0.01&#37; of the total sales? Sorry i forgot to recognise it!

Vista isn't best for gaming, a Xbox/PS3 is surely?
Linux is awful at fileserving, its a mess of standard that bites you in the arse when you want to have a 'watcher' on a file on a network share.
OSX has useless business support, its horrifically expensive, and they don't seam to try to sell service contracts!

My point about OSX offering nothing over the alternatives is true, the way to claim i'm spouting crap would be to talk about Coco or any of their 'api enhancmenets' not trying to pigeon hole things!

[aidanjt]

Linux, awful at fileserving? lol.

[b0redom]

No one would use it for business is wrong.

There you go, fixed that for you

The A/V market that dosen't want to use premire on windows, or the really bespoke stuff with custom keyboards....... Wow, thats a big market there!

Does it account for 0.01&#37; of the total sales? Sorry i forgot to recognise it!

Merely pointing out, each has their own strengths and weaknesses. Like I said I have used pretty much every OS floating around. Each has there own strengths and weaknesses.

Vista isn't best for gaming, a Xbox/PS3 is surely?

Depends on the game. Personally I reckon Vista is better for FPS/RTS and Xbox/PS3 is better at platformy type games. All depends on your view point of course. Again, it depends on what you're doing with them.

Linux is awful at fileserving....

Well I think we'll have to agree to disagree on that one (you're wrong) .

OSX has useless business support, its horrifically expensive

Horrifically expensive? It ships with the hardware?

and they don't seam to try to sell service contracts!

http://www.apple.com/support/product...r_sw_supt.html

My point about OSX offering nothing over the alternatives is true, the way to claim i'm spouting crap would be to talk about Coco or any of their 'api enhancmenets' not trying to pigeon hole things!

I still maintain that out of the box, OSX is better at giving novice users a more integrated, secure and more difficult to break environment.

[LWA]

Work laptop - XP Professional
Home laptop - Mac OSX

[TheAnimus]

Linux, awful at fileserving? lol.

It depends what you mean by file serving i suppose.

Its just i'd like to see someone easily setup a clustered share.

Or easily allow for remote file monitors and other fun things that cheap linux NAS's break.

If you mean FTP, then yes its quite excellent.

[TheAnimus]

Horrifically expensive? It ships with the hardware?

Look at how much it would cost for a SMALL business set up of say 300 desktops, 30 spares, 15 servers. Its not cheap.

http://www.apple.com/support/product...r_sw_supt.html

Now look at someone like HP or Dell, how much money they spend on advertising, and pushing their brand. Apple don't seam to take on business users seriously, this could easily explain their market share been less than 1%?

I still maintain that out of the box, OSX is better at giving novice users a more integrated, secure and more difficult to break environment.

Better than what? Tried Ubuntu lately, everything out of the box works fine, soon as you want to do anything like get a scanner to work, you find out how buggered you are. Because of the monopoly reason that everyone developes their stuff to work against windows, virus writers not withstanding, it is the simplest choice.

[peterb]

It depends what you mean by file serving i suppose.

Its just i'd like to see someone easily setup a clustered share.

Or easily allow for remote file monitors and other fun things that cheap linux NAS's break.

But 'cheap Linux fileservers' are not enterprise type devices so you aren't comparing like with like - not many home SME users (at whom the cheap Linux NAS boxes are aimed at) need clustering

If you mean FTP, then yes its quite excellent.

Yes SFTP is excellent (as is SSH) - and I believe that you can buy a port of the SFTP server for Windows... - but then why buy buy it when the original is available open source? But Windows users are fortunate in that they can get Putty, so they aren't completely left out! Linux is nothing if not inclusive!

And all these tools are available on the the Mac platform too!

[TheAnimus]

Note carefully that i didn't say that there where shining panacia's of file server.

I've a lot of hate, and criticisms to go round.
(for instance right now been told that i'll have to wait till 6pm to get some FX history back..... How can it take that F**King long, i can walk over to where FX sit, and ask them for the data faster)..........

[b0redom]

Look at how much it would cost for a SMALL business set up of say 300 desktops, 30 spares, 15 servers. Its not cheap.

Neither is Windows? So you're advocating using what?

Now look at someone like HP or Dell, how much money they spend on advertising, and pushing their brand. Apple don't seam to take on business users seriously, this could easily explain their market share been less than 1&#37;?

Right, so they don't spend money on advertising, but that's not what you said. You said that businesses would be mad to deploy on OSX? How does advertising hook into that?

Better than what? Tried Ubuntu lately, everything out of the box works fine, soon as you want to do anything like get a scanner to work, you find out how buggered you are. Because of the monopoly reason that everyone developes their stuff to work against windows, virus writers not withstanding, it is the simplest choice.

You can go to Dixons or PC World and buy a Mac compatible scanner. You plug it in, and it will talk directly to iPhoto or something similar. Plug in a camera, and it'll even fire up iPhoto for you and ask if you'd like to import the photos. Drop in a CD and it'll open up iTunes. Log in to iChat, and the video camera will become live.

You can't do that with Ubuntu. You can do bits of that with Windows, but it's not as intuitive. You're talking about all sorts of stuff from the perspective of someone who is a coder/geek.

[shaithis]

XP64, Vista x64 Ultimate, Win 7 x64 Ultimate and OSX Leopard all multi-booting...

Plus VMWare virtual machines running a mix of 32bit Windows XP and various Linux distros (32 and 64 bit)

[Haiku32]

Windows and Ubuntu for me. I have nothing against macs, I just don't think I'd use any of the features it has over windows.
Vista running on my main rig, XP on another, Ubuntu on an old laptop.

[peterb]

You can go to Dixons or PC World and buy a Mac compatible scanner. You plug it in, and it will talk directly to iPhoto or something similar. Plug in a camera, and it'll even fire up iPhoto for you and ask if you'd like to import the photos. Drop in a CD and it'll open up iTunes. Log in to iChat, and the video camera will become live.

You can't do that with Ubuntu. You can do bits of that with Windows, but it's not as intuitive. You're talking about all sorts of stuff from the perspective of someone who is a coder/geek.

You can do a lot of that with Linux (I don't know about Ubuntu specifically) but I plug my camera in, it mounts and an app opens to allow me to import. I plug my Ipod in - and app opens and allows me to load music/podcasts etc into it. I hover over a desktop music icon - and it plays. Similarly with CDs and DVDs.

As it is a function of the gui, I would expect that most Linux distros will do it.