"I'd focus on why the defenders didn't clear it."Originally Posted by Steve A
I disagree his words are nothing but a dig from his own personal experience and sourness..
The above line is wrong simply on the basis they should not even have needed to clear the lines purley because 1 offside should have been played and the ball was going out too.
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RE: the OP.
Not the first time it's happened, won't be the last.
Do I agree with video replays?
No smeggin way! The word of the ref should be absolute. If he screws up, then that's just the way it goes.
Should the game be replayed? I think I agree with FIFA on this one, you just can't do it.
Should those caught cheating get away scott free? NO. I'd vote for after match reviews significant fines/bans etc. The only way to stop footballers from cheating is to hit them where it hurts.... in their bank balance, and the only way to stop their team managers from advocating their actions, is ban them from playing.
I agree with post-match player bans, however the use of diving as an example of cheating and then comparing it with the 'Hand of Gaul' is not a fair comparison - and where post match punishment could be tricky. Some dives are dives are some are an actual result of a challenge or a near challenge. A handball however, like the one in question, only has one interpritation - red card IMO, and most probably FIFA's, if the ref had seen it...
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Absolute tripe ...
offside - yes!, handball - yes!, this is totally irrelivant, another thing you learn in "schoolboy" football is "play to the whisle", so should they have cleared it ? Yes, should the keeper have done better? Yes,
Should Ireland have scored 3-4 times between the 2 legs? Yes!
I even admitted that Keane was still a touche on the Irish Football subject, but never the less everything he said is 100% true ................
Sorry Mr Moss but you are wrong on pretty much all counts.
Absolute tripe ...
offside - yes!, handball - yes!, this is totally irrelivant, another thing you learn in "schoolboy" football is "play to the whisle", so should they have cleared it ? Yes, should the keeper have done better? Yes,
Should Ireland have scored 3-4 times between the 2 legs? Yes!
I even admitted that Keane was still a touche on the Irish Football subject, but never the less everything he said is 100% true ................
Sorry Mr Moss but you are wrong on pretty much all counts.
In your own words you agree with me "offide Yes" blah de blah so your contradicting yourself here.
All your doing is taking Keanos works and using them as your own, your not a United fan by any chance?
you only admitted that about Kean becuase you thought no one would come back and correct you.
True although a replay was always unlikely I feel Henry should be punished.
Last edited by Mossy; 20-11-2009 at 04:25 PM. Reason: Bad Spelling
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There's only one mature way to sort this out.
A duel to the death.
Show me where i have said anywhere that the goal was onside ?
tbh mate you dont half talk some tosh ... but then again you are a "Maybe this year" Liverpool Fan (yeah maybe not somehow)
- err i think you will find that i said this before you even posted sunny jim.- you only admitted that about Kean becuase you thought no one would come back and correct you.
Replay will never happen and shouldnt happen imo, they had enough chances to win it.
If Robbie Keane or Richard Dunn handballed it and then they scored off it to reach the finals, do you think they would agree to a replay .... not a cats chance.
In all honestly, i least Henry didnt rub there noses in it, it was hardly an all out celebration after the match and he took the time to go and speak to Dunn, captain to captain.
I really can't understand the view point that cheating is part of the game and that's why we love football. Keep following that logic and why have any rules at all. The media love it because it gives them something to get worked up about. Anyway, people are entitled to their POV.
Post match punishment for players has a certain elegance to it. Couple of potential issues I can see:
- The team which is the victim won't see the benefits ... it'll likely be a rival (e.g. in the group or league) that benefits.
- The post match punishment can't be harsher than the in match punishment, e.g. like Eduardo's ban would have been for the CL dive. This could perhaps be countered by issuing a yellow card for every incident, and compounding them to reds if they occurred in one game.
Getting it right in the game is the best solution and deterrent, so I'm for video assistance for the refs. Clear rules would need to be worked out, which is perhaps beyond FIFA given the active-inactive offside rule. If video was used in a similar style to say tennis, e.g limited number of challenges then I don't think it'd be disruptive. The onus is then back on the players.
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Mossy (20-11-2009)
No one here on this thread is advocating a replay as far as I can see and most of us would agree that the blame doesn't lie with Henry because it is instinctive to see the opportunity and to take it so I don't see what you're trying to argue against.Replay will never happen and shouldnt happen imo, they had enough chances to win it.
If Robbie Keane or Richard Dunn handballed it and then they scored off it to reach the finals, do you think they would agree to a replay .... not a cats chance.
The problem is the abysmal attitude to cheating in professional football now where cheating is deliberate and widely used as a legitimate way to score. Nowadays, and this is not a specific reference to the Ireland-France match, as soon as players get a good run near the box their first instinct is to dive at any sign of opposition. It is disgusting to watch and if Ireland did something like that I would not be happy, but I guess the general public of Ireland would be happy with that which is the problem: public opinion nowadays includes cheating and diving as a way to victory. There needs to be a shift in mentality in the whole sport, i.e. imagine if Henry admitted to the ref it was a handball. The fact that it is so hard to imagine, where it is not uncommon in other sports e.g. cricket, just goes to prove the extent of the problem.
No he was not a usual suspect, he was in fact one of my most admired footballers, so it is surprising. I wasn't arguing with that. But I was slightly peeved that you would march in to this thread, announce that you have seen a photo in a newspaper and declare it to be unintentional. Next time include something to show that you are extracting the urine (smilie maybe?) because we are on the internets here and I was pretty convinced an absolute doofus had turned up and decided to stamp their ill-advised opinion around
Anyway this should be a Poll i would guess more people would favour a replay.
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Im not saying that anyone was advocating towards a replay, im not in anyway trying to slur Ireland or the attitude towards henry or anyone else, My mums side of the family are from Ireland so im gutted as anyone that they didnt get what they deserved, but this is football.
and the general mentality of people these days is that "cheating" is acceptable, wether we like it or not its part of the global game, i for one am hopeful it will be stamped out but how far can you go before you totally ruin the beautiful game.
the best and only good rules that ever got introduced in recent times was the simplist, (passing back to the goalkeeper).
i dont mind little changes or tweaks. but anything that will slow the game down is a big no no from me, we have enough stoppages as it is with feigning injuries.
the best thing they can do it Ban players for cheating, Diving Etc, but the simple Fact is that the FA, FIFA and UEFA have no balls
What did Eduardo, Ngog , Drogba (could go on) get for Cheating/Diving ... yep nothing, so what insentive do they have to stop ... Thats right NONE
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Don't these paragraphs contradict each other? Just because cheating is becoming more common place in the game does not justify Henry's actions.
You can either fix the game or fix the players. I'd vote for fixing the players, they bloody earn enough!
Mossy, you talk some sh1t mate ... who ever said cheating was right?
again thats irrelivant ....
and in my personal opinion, if there was a global Poll on wether it should be replayed i think the vast majority would would oppose. but im sure you will disagree with that too.
and Plus i said "Your wrong on PRETTY MUCH all count" not "ALL COUNTS"
Again speaking to his manager after the match doesn't make it right but what do you want him to do, fingers on lips in the naughty corner?
LOL Dummy Pram ........Mossy, you talk some sh1t mate ... who ever said cheating was right?
again thats irrelivant ....
and in my personal opinion, if there was a global Poll on wether it should be replayed i think the vast majority would would oppose. but im sure you will disagree with that too.
and Plus i said "Your wrong on PRETTY MUCH all count" not "ALL COUNTS"
Again speaking to his manager after the match doesn't make it right but what do you want him to do, fingers on lips in the naughty corner?
I only voicing what millions of others are on other forums and papers etc
of course we are all entitled to opinions thats obvious otherwise you wouldnt be on this forum defending your own comments dude chill
Lets take this on the staff car park after work 5.30 and solve it there!
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