Why should Wenger stay?

[j.o.s.h.1408]

And you wonder why i want Wenger to go...

6 years without a trophy. 6 years of Wenger having no plan B, 6 years without a world class GK and CB's, 6 years without a "Leader" on the field in the same mould as Viera and Tony Adams

6 years of relying on below average players like denilson and diaby, 6 years of trying to pass the ball to the back of the net, 6 years of conceding the exact same goals via set pieces and long hoofed balls, and finally 6 years of Wenger making a joke of himself infront of the media with remarks such as "i didn't see it?, I wont spend, my team is perfect, my team is the best, the ref cost us the game, the sun was too bright etc etc.

So the simple question is, why should he stay at arsenal?

If Fergie or guardiola was at the same boat as wenger, making the same glaring falws and mistakes for 6 years, do you honestly think the barcelona/united fans would put up with that for 6 years?

Poll has been added with a simple yes, no, maybe answer.

[jim]

No, they probably wouldn't put up with it. But United and Barcelona are bigger clubs than Arsenal.

A lot of Arsenal supporters want him gone, and fair enough. When he's replaced with Sam Allardyce, maybe they'll regret that.

[Blitzen]

I think am running out of excuses on why he should continue to be manager of arsenal.

wenger has made the exact same mistakes for 6+ years. he never learns so why keep a manager who is so stubborn and blinded by his mistake.

imo its time for that prick to go. had enough of his BS and if anyone watched or heard the news today about the match you will be shocked at the manner of it all

I was at the game today (home fans are such Plastics...they make Chelsea fans seem plausible), and I can 100% say that you have no idea.

Being a memeber of AFC for over 25 years, i can remember the days when we were happy with a top 10 finish, let alone a League title.
We have been spolit by Wenger for 15 years, and the average armchair fan forgets this!
Yes i would like some silverware, but we are the only consistent team in the league besides Utd.
Regardless of what is said, we cannot compete in the transfer market with Man Utd/Chelsea/City, and Wenger does a good job.

Chelsea
Man Utd
Man City
Liverpool
Spurs
Villa
Just to name 6 clubs that spend WAY beyond what we EVER do, and all of them besides Man Utd, would give their right arm for even a taste of the success that Arsenal have had.
Chelsea -No bad in last 6 years, but ZERO history
Man City - Worse than Chelsea
Liverpool - Lots of history granted, but for the money they have spent, have little to show for it....cannot hide from the fact that the Premiership is the Holy Grail for them, and they are further away from winning it than they ever have been
Spurs - So jealous of what we have achieved.....difference between us and the spuds is they draw, and they are ecstatic. We draw, and we are gutted. NO AMBITION and even less talent. FFS...they even bring out DVD's when they draw against us!
Villa - Flirted with the top 4 (as Spurs did), but reality bought them back.

As much as I hate to admit it, Man Utd are deserving of everything they have won.
The rest of them............nah!

[j.o.s.h.1408]

No, they probably wouldn't put up with it. But United and Barcelona are bigger clubs than Arsenal.

A lot of Arsenal supporters want him gone, and fair enough. When he's replaced with Sam Allardyce, maybe they'll regret that.

No we can replace him with Van Basten teamed up with Bergkamp as his number 2 for instance.

Or an unknown manager. why does it have to be a household name? Wenger was a nobody ebfore he came to arsenal and guardiola never managed a team before barcelona

[j.o.s.h.1408]

I was at the game today (home fans are such Plastics...they make Chelsea fans seem plausible), and I can 100% say that you have no idea.

Being a memeber of AFC for over 25 years, i can remember the days when we were happy with a top 10 finish, let alone a League title.
We have been spolit by Wenger for 15 years, and the average armchair fan forgets this!
Yes i would like some silverware, but we are the only consistent team in the league besides Utd.
Regardless of what is said, we cannot compete in the transfer market with Man Utd/Chelsea/City, and Wenger does a good job.

Yea i remember the days when a top 10 finish was ok but now its not. we are suppose to be a big team . i wouldnt sya wenger spoilt us, he has brought our club to the highest level again, so of course people like me will get fustrated if we go back down a level.

Dont you want us to progress? i dont expect us to win a trophy every ****ing year but its the MANNER in which we lose. Look at the game today. what manager makes the same MISTAKES for 6 years conceding the exact same goals from set piece?

if his such a great manager, why are we still faltering at this time of the season? why cant we wina game when where 4:0!!!

Come on, i think you support "Wenger" and not Arsenal mate.

[this_is_gav]

Blitzen, I agree with what you've said, but you've avoided his question. Arsenal are so close, and have been for a number of years, but Wenger just won't go that step further and do what's needed.

He doesn't need to spend £50m on a player like Chelsea did. He doesn't need to rebuild the entire team. He just needs a couple of players to provide a bit of a backbone, as there isn't one at the moment.

You've got a team that's capable of qualifying for the Champions League each season, but they're just too soft underneath when it comes down to it. Arsenal won't spend like the other teams, and that's admirable, but they do need to get in a couple of players. He did it with Vermalen, but he needs to do it with a couple of players who won't just crumble when they're put under pressure, both on and off the pitch. Man C spent £6m for Kompany. Man U spent £6m on Hernandez. If Arsenal don't just want to dwindle away, then they have to spend on players like that, not just pass up on the opportunity to sign a Given and cross their fingers.

It's a financially sound club, there's apparently a pot of money available to him which wouldn't stretch the resources, and he needs to go out and use a bit of it if he wants to continue qualifying for the Champions League, because if he doesn't, they won't be in it in a couple of years, and you've be back to being happy with a top 10 finish.

[j.o.s.h.1408]

Blitzen, I agree with what you've said, but you've avoided his question. Arsenal are so close, and have been for a number of years, but Wenger just won't go that step further and do what's needed.

He doesn't need to spend £50m on a player like Chelsea did. He doesn't need to rebuild the entire team. He just needs a couple of players to provide a bit of a backbone, as there isn't one at the moment.

You've got a team that's capable of qualifying for the Champions League each season, but they're just too soft underneath when it comes down to it. Arsenal won't spend like the other teams, and that's admirable, but they do need to get in a couple of players. He did it with Vermalen, but he needs to do it with a couple of players who won't just crumble when they're put under pressure, both on and off the pitch. Man C spent £6m for Kompany. Man U spent £6m on Hernandez. Arsenal don't just want to dwindle away, then they have to spend on players like that, not just pass up on the opportunity to sign a Given and cross their fingers.

It's a financially sound club, there's apparently a pot of money available to him which wouldn't stretch the resources, and he needs to go out and use a bit of it if he wants to continue qualifying for the Champions League, because if he doesn't, they won't be in it in a couple of years.

exactly and this is why he should go. the full on reason why he should go because where so close and yet so far because his too arrogant and stubborn to plug in the actual gaps a blind dog can see.

The more he goes trophyless, the more players will leave. Fabregas will leave this summer and probably RVP. thats two world class players that needs to be filled in the gap. So on top of the 2-3 players needed now to fill the gap, add replacements for Fabgreas and RVP and thats 5 world class/proven players we need. As you say, limited budget

[jim]

guardiola never managed a team before barcelona

He also inherited probably the best club team in history, which is a fairly nice bonus.

Don't get me wrong, you could replace him with a nobody. You could replace him with anybody.

I just don't get why so many Arsenal fans think that they deserve some higher status. Is nobody content with their standing any more? It seems at some point or another in the season every single team in the Premiership, bar United, is constantly upset with how they're underperforming. Perhaps they're just performing to par?

You don't deserve to do any better than you are doing at present for any obvious reason. And in the same way that a new manager might come in and sign a good keeper and a good striker, they might also lose the fluidity that has made Arsenal play so well over the years, and when players like Fabregas leave there won't be another Wenger fledgeling in the ranks to come up and replace them.

All managers have their good points and bad points, you can't just replace them with another and automatically improve.

[j.o.s.h.1408]

So now managers are irreplaceable? is that what you are trying to say? That if a manager makes the SAME mistaked for 6 years his safe and bullet proof? i know for a fact that in any other club, , Wenger would have got the sack years ago.

i know for a fact that ANY manager that is managing a team from a different sector, say umm a software dev house, that manager would have got the sack long ago if he or she made the same mistakes over and over and over again

[jim]

So now managers are irreplaceable? is that what you are trying to say? That if a manager makes the SAME mistaked for 6 years his safe and bullet proof? i know for a fact that in any other club, , Wenger would have got the sack years ago.

i know for a fact that ANY manager that is managing a team from a different sector, say umm a software dev house, that manager would have got the sack long ago if he or she made the same mistakes over and over and over again

No, not that they're irreplaceable. Just that anything could happen - it's a massive lottery. United could probably replace Ferguson with Mourinho at the end of the season, and we might go on to win the Champions League. Nobody is irreplaceable.

And as for the different sector analogy, it's a bit like sacking whoever designed the Creative Zen because it didn't overhaul the iPod. We all knew it wouldn't, so they're not going to get sacked for 'underperforming'. They didn't 'underperform'.

Arsenal are more than welcome to replace Wenger. And maybe they will do fantastically out of doing so. But I believe that the potential for failure is far higher. I don't see how Arsenal are underachieving under his helm, if anything they are overachieving in my eyes.

I still don't get why you think that bringing in a new manager will suddenly result in a new Arsenal that's exactly like the old one but without all the mistakes.

[this_is_gav]

exactly and this is why he should go. the full on reason why he should go because where so close and yet so far because his too arrogant and stubborn to plug in the actual gaps a blind dog can see.

I'm not certain he should or will go. He's demonstrated that he can get Arsenal to the top and fight for trophies - heck, he managed the Invincibles - but he's become disillusioned. He's got the annoying habits you mentioned, but the core issue is his ethos of developing a team and some of the on-field problems that entails. If he could bite the bullet and realise where he's going wrong, then there's no reason that Arsenal couldn't put together a winning team again.

Conversely, I suppose the core of the Arsenal team over that period was built and developed before he joined, he just added the garnish with the likes of Henry, so in a way you could easily argue that Wenger himself still hasn't built a winning team yet.

[pp05]

I think outside of Fergie, Wenger is the best coach in premier league. I rate him higher than Mourinho who is still a young coach. Arsenal should tell him he has a job until he decides to retire.

While every other club is struggling financially or will be, for him to not lose his head when those around him were paying 30m for players worth half that is a credit to him. He will leave Arsenal a legacy that will hold them in good stead in the future. If he had not been the Arsenal coach now you guys would not be playing the quality football you play.

Arsenal need a vocal goalkeeper with a presence and maybe a centre-back. Hardly a crisis.

[kopite]

I know Wenger is a great manager and has turned arsenal around but From the outside looking in the problems you have are the same problems that have been there for a long time. The press talk every year about how arsenal need a new keeper and a commanding central defender but every year the positions go unfilled. its as though wenger thinks that the press are wrong on everything and he`ll prove that.

[Blitzen]

I know Wenger is a great manager and has turned arsenal around but From the outside looking in the problems you have are the same problems that have been there for a long time. The press talk every year about how arsenal need a new keeper and a commanding central defender but every year the positions go unfilled. its as though wenger thinks that the press are wrong on everything and he`ll prove that.

I agree to a certain exent, and it is frustrating to see when the whole footballing world can see where we are going wrong.

To say Wenger should be sacked is just plainly ridiculous though.

Spurs and Liverpool are the BEST examples of changing managers with the frequency of prostitutes changing sexual partners, and the destruction of a club, only to have to keep rebuilding.

Man Utd and Arsenal are the only clubs in the PL that have qualified to for the CL every season for 15 years. Wenger and Fergie are the best in the PL and their records speak for themselves.

[kopite]

Spurs and Liverpool are the BEST examples of changing managers with the frequency of prostitutes changing sexual partners, and the destruction of a club, only to have to keep rebuilding.

Man Utd and Arsenal are the only clubs in the PL that have qualified to for the CL every season for 15 years. Wenger and Fergie are the best in the PL and their records speak for themselves.

So giving a manager 5+ years is too often now?

Houllier was with us for 6 years and after his heart attack he was never the same manager and had taken the team as far as he could

Rafa did a good job with us and was there for 6 years again. He made the mistake of criticizing the yanks and once that had happened he was a dead man walking. The majority of reds never wanted him to go but statler and waldorf. never really listened to what the fans wanted any way.

Whilst we havent won the league which is still the holy grail for us we havent exactly been failing completely. Houlier won the FA cup, Worthington cup and uefa cup whilst rafa won the FA cup and the champions league whilst also getting to the final again.

This season and last season have been a disaster but last season had nothing to do with getting rid of a manager and more to do with losing players and not replacing them fully and having owners who had no interest in the club and where only out to make a quick buck.

After the debacle of Hodgson (which was further proof of the yanks lack of interest in the club) Kenny has turned things around and I fully expect us to be challenging for the champions league places again next year.

[Andy3536]

I'm an Arsenal fan and i really hope he stays.

I'm not likeing his attitude lately, but i think we can all see the stress of being so close to a trophy but not looking like he's gonna get it has got him really frustrated.

But when you think that we're on our best position for a few years in the leugue. And at a time when we've got alot of debt to pay back building a stadium we've managed to keep champions league football there while being very frugal with the money. I think he's done a good job.

For best results, you need to stick with a good manager, and not go through them like so many clubs have been doing lately.

Then there's the who would you replace him with? Big Sam? I suppose at least we would cross the ball
Mabee the 'special one' mabee he'd put in 2 seasons before his ambitions take him elsewhere.....

I do hope Wenger stays