Listen to yourself, think of the contradictions.
So this oppressive president, banned the protests, banned them wearing any protective clothing, and what? Suddenly threw in the towel?
Violence happened.
Then he threw in the towel.
This has pissed some people off. They see it as the person I voted for, has been ousted by thuggs. The others see this as, the person who had a dodgy election has been ousted by heros.
Those are the two view points. It will get messy. It will get nasty. Just as things in Thailand keep flashing up between the Red and Yellows, Just as the North and the South did in Vietnam. People are going to die.
Why you think Russia is the evil aggressor in this I don't know. I think you've got a very biased anti-putin stance, and want to see things as black and white as possible. Myself I don't like Putin, but I am not going to get my knickers in a twist because some people do.
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I fail to see the contradiction. The Ukraine president fled after he killed his own citizens after failing to do something he promised in his election manifesto. The people protested, and he tried to stop them by passing new laws, he was someone that got into power and then passed laws to give himself more power.
The Berkut killed 8 people while clearing the main square of peaceful protesters. then the next day the Berkut killed another 80 people that were armed with 2 air rifles. The government used sniper rifles from vantage points.
Same with any protest group the vast majority are people are simply normal people.
Russian / Ukrainian
https://www.facebook.com/maidaners
In English
https://www.facebook.com/maidaners1
Here is the massacre. don't see them attacking with weapons, + they were all head or chest shot. That is not crowd control.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2zYvCVkBeY
sorry I don't see it as crowd control!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDid8...has_verified=1
If you want to know why the last president has no validity and why millions of Ukrainians (Ukrainian and Russian speakers) are tired with this crook.
http://yanukovychleaks.org/
The president then agreed to share power the next day then the day after he fled. The people will get new elections on May 25th
What is the problem? Why don't Russia back off and let the people have fair and democratic elections in May?
It's all stirring on purpose by Russia. They have taken over the TV in Crimea and are actively provoking hatred talking about the "fact" that an army of fascists are coming to attack Crimea.
Last edited by j1979; 02-03-2014 at 03:41 PM.
Only seems to be getting worse
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26405635
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Answer this. If Ukip were elected on the main point of leaving the EU.
Then when the time came they decided not to leave the EU.
If then we had an "Occupy London" or "Occupy Wall Street" type movement...
followed by a president passing laws to make this type of protest illegal then, he continues to try and force people to stop protesting with "titushki" (groups of wandering government hard-men). Then Berkut armed riot police, then he opens fire on unarmed people. If this happened in the UK what would you do?
If the government then fled and a new interim government was formed with the promise of elections in May. I would say that was a very fair outcome under the difficult circumstances.
I don't see how you can fail to acknowledge this point.
Sure, but it's a bit rich to say 'you don't do something' when your own democratic country (thus mandate from the people and all that) did exactly the thing you are saying not to do
Clearly in the 21st Century people do - you can say 'we were wrong to do x', but saying 'you just don't' comes across very silly.
No they don't. They've attacked more countries and forced troops into more countries than Bush did. That's before we mention the drone strikes. Obama was elected on the promise of ending the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. AFG continues, Iraq lasted six more years, longer under Obama than Bush.
Obama is a Neocon warmonger, just the same as Bush. The illusion of two parties in the US is exactly that.
Oh bloody hell.
Ukraine must know they can't win Crimea. If they're lucky, Russia will stop on the border. This looks like partition is unavoidable now, as Western Ukraine will never go back to Russian influence willingly.
On the plus side, we welcome west Ukraine back in Europe.
Society's to blame,
Or possibly Atari.
I hope you are wrong! But I think you're probably right
Western and European governments are stopping short of any military intervention threats at the moment with the exception of Turkey, which has said they may intervene.
If Turkey do step in, then it's difficult to see how they can without a declaration of war on Russia. Under those circumstances we are in deep ****
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