speeding...

**J4MES** · 30-09-2005, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by Ferral

she could end up losing her license

hope springs eternal...

**iranu** · 30-09-2005, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by Oakey

Course I have, and the unexpected happened to me. Hurtling down the M6 at 110, some large debris appeared in my lane (as I came round a corner) and I had to swerve to avoid it, causing my car to fishtail. It was a scary experience that made me think twice.

Either you wern't looking far enough ahead or you were too close to the vehicle in front. At 110 you should be paying attention you naughty boy

Tigs post is the most sensible one here imho.

It is not a question of what the speed limit is on a given road and whether you are over the limit. The question should be is it safe for me to be doing this speed given the circumstances (and my over inflated opinion of how good a driver I am.

)

examples

1. Perfectly straight road, no traffic, no junctions, dry, excellent visablity, no pedestrians. 30mph speed limit. You're doing 60mph.

2. Motorway, rush hour, heavy fog and drizzle, poor visability and wet road. 70mph speed limit. You're doing 60mph.

3. Is it safe to do 30mph in a 30 zone when you are passing a school at chucking out time? You are well within the law to do so - BUT IS IT SAFE?

Going over the speed limit is not, imho, the be all and end all (coppers will disagree

). The correct speed for the circumstance is. You have to use your judgement. To get better judgement do an advanced driving course.

**Ferral** · 30-09-2005, 03:48 PM

I've told her umpteen times about knocking her speed down but its the old you dont drive line so I have give up, makes me nervous and cringe sometimes I must admit as I think its a bit reckless and unresponsible especially as we have a Focus Estate 1.6 Injection so due to the weight of the car alone the stopping distance is going to be a little more especially if its wet.

Extra 10 mph could be the difference between life and death of a child crossing the road when its dark in the wet. If it happened to one of our kids she would go absolutely nuts and really should take that stance when she is speeding, think of the consequences of her possible actions.

**Moby-Dick** · 30-09-2005, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by mrs fraggie

im not thick i can read and no im not angry if i was angry you would no about it

Why, would your grammer get even worse ?

Originally Posted by mrs fraggie

they do even fraggie said hes seen people do it.

and its not a rant but thanks for yet again persuming.

Why don't you read back to yourself what you put down - it looks like a rant to me.

Originally Posted by mrs fraggie

fraggie wouldnt put ote like that because you dont no me so why would it be any of your buisness?

Because HEXUS is a community and likes to look out for its members , why else ?

Originally Posted by mrs fraggie

yes we all no most if not all of you dont like what i do so end of.. there are things i sometimes read i dont like but i dont keep on at that person trying to ground them down (maybe i should in the future seen as most of you get a kick out of it)

I'm not trying to grind you down at all, but you will insist on trying to have the last word

.I know from personal exiperience and a good few hundred thousand miles driving that agression has no place behind the wheel. It has cost me in the past and I'm trying pass on those pearls of wisdom , but it would appear that you know best. I think I'll leave it at that.

**5lab** · 30-09-2005, 05:06 PM

hrmm. inexperianced drivers do have a tendancy to be over-agressive

personally, i think they should have a 3 point limit during the first year or 2 (like it is 6 points now), so basically, 1 hit and your out. this would probably make lots of new drivers think before putting thier foot down.

as for yer missis mate - just refuse to get in the car with her if you dont feel safe, she might start to realise what she's doing.

**Ferral** · 30-09-2005, 05:18 PM

She aint bothered mate unfortunately, tried that one and she just says you can get the bus then ! Tried all the lines in regards to trying to put it across, what if it was our kids ? Police are cracking down on speeding etc..

When she gets caught (it will happen, but at the moment she thinks it only happens to boy racers not normal members of the public) I hope I'm in the car with her and then I can say told you so. Or she will get caught on a speed camera she has no idea is there. I dont want to come across as being malicious towards her as I think the world of her but I know that if she carrys on doing what she is then someone could seriously get hurt or killed.

I agree with you on the 2 or 3 points for the first year, I think they should also lengthen the probabtion period up by 6 months or even a year (18 - 24 months) as you do get alot of new drivers where it goes to their heads as soon as they are out there on their own.

**Zak33** · 30-09-2005, 05:21 PM

Speeding does have a place, and its normally to get past other drivers and back into safety without effecting anyone else on the road.

The places NOT to speed at all are where people are wandering about a lot. Simple fact is that housing estates and towns are loaded with kids, people, and pets.

Two things when you hit a person.
1: The person you hit is mammothly injured and very likely dead. This is bad
2: Your entire life, career and finacial life are wrecked for ever. You lose everything, and you often go to prison. You lose your job. Your insurance becomes vritually impossible and you can't sleep at night.

Speeding on certain roads, in my opinion, is quite ok. Why? Because I don't see why certain roads have the limits put on them that they have.

70 mph on a dual carriageway, with mopeds, pedal bikes, horses, hitchikers and people crossing the road is realtively safe, because on the whole it's still car drivers that hit other cars that are the majority of accidents (and therefore user error)

70mph on a 4 lane motor way, with none of the above mentioned hazards. How does that make sense?

Worse still, WHY is it still acceptable to pass a school at 30mph in some towns?

30mph in a cement mixer? I mean...please

**rajagra** · 30-09-2005, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by 5lab

i think i'm right in saying that nsl roads have a higher serious crash rate than any other sorta road?

I don't think that's true. But it really depends how you do the math and define your terms to get the result you want.

Do you calculate serious crashes per mile travelled? Per journey? Per number of vehicles on the road? Or ratio of crashes that are serious?
Do you do the old trick of lumping together deaths and serious injuries to make the stats seem more shocking (every ambulance callout+hospital visit is classed as a serious injury, even if nobody turns out to be hurt - I should know, it happened to me once. Nobody believed me when I said I wasn't hurt!)

Most road accidents involve only vehicles travelling under 30mph at time of impact. Usually at hazards, e.g. junctions.
I'm willing to bet that this is also true of road deaths. I'm talking about absolute numbers here, not some artificial calculation.

Next time you see a "fact" that suggests otherwise, double check exactly what is being claimed. See if they provide numbers to back up their claim, and whether those numbers are being interpreted correctly.

Accidents are caused by people doing stupid things, not just by exceeding an arbitrarily selected speed limit that covers an entire geographical area, with no distinction between different roads and conditions.

Legal speeds are not always safe.
Illegal speeds are not always dangerous.
Anybody who doesn't understand these simple facts cannot possibly know how to select a safe speed.

**Kitty** · 30-09-2005, 08:06 PM

Why, would your grammer get even worse ?

grammer dont mean a thing these days aslong as long as you can read it

atleast im using the space bar

i was telling you why i do it not having a rant, if it was a rant

would of got added at some point

I'm not trying to grind you down at all

'quote' mrs f have a go... 'quote' mrs f have a go...

now moby i no you hate me but can we stop this now please...

**Moby-Dick** · 30-09-2005, 08:22 PM

now moby i no you hate me but can we stop this now please...

Why exactly would I hate you ? Hate is a very strong word.

In the words of Micheal Winner , "calm down dear , its only an Internet Forum"

relax , you only think the world is out to get you. I however, am not

**Kitty** · 30-09-2005, 08:33 PM

Originally Posted by Moby-Dick

Why exactly would I hate you ? Hate is a very strong word.

In the words of Micheal Winner , "calm down dear , its only an Internet Forum"

relax , you only think the world is out to get you. I however, am not

huummmm

you my dear are a (it says this in your pic) big fish... fish tends to upset my tummy :S *hugs and kisses moby to make up*

i hate that advert and would love to stuff it up his a***

**Konan555** · 30-09-2005, 10:36 PM

This time you've gone too far!

Mentioning Micheal Winner.....

**J4MES** · 01-10-2005, 07:27 AM

Originally Posted by iranu

It is not a question of what the speed limit is on a given road and whether you are over the limit. The question should be is it safe for me to be doing this speed given the circumstances

you're wrong, and that's entirely my point - if you use your own judgement, you speed, and accidents happen - all because people like you think you know better...

**J4MES** · 01-10-2005, 07:35 AM