speeding...

[[GSV]Trig]

I dont speed in residential areas, outside of schools or on busy roads, I dont drive too close to the car infront and I'm not an aggressive driver.
I agree with 20 zones and speedhumps outside of schools.
I disagree with the fact that most schools dont teach road safety to children anymore.
I also like the new advert where the kid messing with his phone gets hit by a car, I think its about time that all of these adverts stop blatently blaming the driver for pedestrian related RTA's, like the old one with the young girl up against a tree, shes wearing camo gear ffs, drivers are expected to give the pedestrians a fighting chance by not speeding, hows about the pedestrians give the drivers a chance by looking before they run into the road, not walking into the road cos they think there hard and not wearing fecking camo gear....

other than that I speed on motorways, when its clear, I'll also drive in the right lane which helps, even if I'm doing over the limit, if theres no other cars I'll be in the left bloody lane where I'm meant to be, when theres cars on the road you generally find that there in groups, I'll speed between these groups but when I get close to a group I'll ease off (not brake as some ppl autobrake when they see brakelights ahead, not a good thing as the guy right up there arse could panic) then I'll pass them at ~10mph faster than there going, I wont push ppl out of the way if I'm in a hurry to get past, then when I'm clear I'll boot it again.

I think there should be harsher tests, theres more ppl on the road now than theres ever been and the way that some of these newer drivers drive is terrible, as for scooter riders, dont even get me started on them little ******s....

[Kitty]

trig do you feel better after that?

[[GSV]Trig]

Nah, its just one of my on going rants, I have a few lol

[Konan555]

the kid messing with his phone gets hit by a car

Azure blue hatchback.

I was never quite sure about that 'now you see him, now you don't' advert. OK, targeting driver awareness when it comes to two wheeled road users, but how many people spotted it was the motorbikes fault? Should've put that in the tag line of the advert.

There's a classic 30 limit (which I stick to) through a village on my way to the next town. By most countys standards it would be a 40 (a lot of identical villages are 50 on the A47). Probably all down to Wane and Tracy moaning it's not safe for little chardonnay, because they can't be arsed to teach them how to cross a road or make sure they don't play near any busy sections.

Just to reiterate, I don't speed along there, but if it where a 40 limit I'd do 40 safely as anyone who is allowed a licence should be able to.

It's a 30 limit, There are wide pavements, no parked cars and no blind bends. By comparison, if I want to walk to the post box I've got a nice stroll along a NSL section of road that (I've already mentioned) the AA class as more dangerous than any other stretch of road in the country.

[badass]

Do I speed?
Everywhere, ALL the time. (well nearly)

By how much?
30's. 40's and 50's I do about 1-2mph over the limit now as I know that not one speed camera or copper in the country will bust me for that speed, and the bunch of other road users behind me have no excuse to get annoyed at me since I am technically breaking the speed limit.
If they are tailgating idiots, I simply slow down further and smile. If they go to overtake, if necessary I slow further. They can have their accident elsewhere
The beauty of slowing down due to a taigater is it is the correct thing to do according to the gov't and you simply appear to be a nervous driver, so the anger of said plum behind you isn't directed at you in the same way. They aren't likely to cut you off and jump out of their car with a breaker bar.
I may sound like I think I have a halo over my head but my keeping to spped limits is a practical one. I am currently awaiting 2 court appearances for speeding
I cant afford any fast cars with 10 points on my license (what I will have if they are both unsuccessfull - I am fighting them both)

WRT sticking to what you think is safe - that is total b0llocks unfortunately as everyone thats on teh road thinks they are gods gift to driving and its everyone else thats cr@p (me too BTW )
The only way to look at it is to assume you are sh1t and cant handle your car whatever sped you are doing. Then look at the impact an accident will likely have to others. If there's no other person around for miles (and you can see that) then do whatever speed you want - its only you that'll get killed/maimed. When there are others likely to be affected, dont bother. Obviously this is a calculated risk. If everyone else is doing 90 then do 90 as its safe.
I have done 155MPH before at night and feel not the least guilty by it.
In my current car I hit 145MPH before it ran out of puff. Once again I dont feel guilty. I assume I'm a cr@p driver but even at those speeds in both situations no one else but me was at risk

[Jiff Lemon]

Take the thread above for example. A 3 series BMW is a rear wheel drive car and so drives very differently to a front wheel drive car (especially at 100mph). And at those speeds you need traction control to keep the car under control which for the majority of models is an extra.

If you don't believe me, try excellerating hard from slow speeds round a wet bend in a front wheel drive car and then do it with a rear wheel drive car (with TC and ESC switched off if you have them) and see the difference.

Probably a whole new thread but..... If you want a safe car, remove traction control, ABS, airbags, stability control and stick a whopping big spike in the middle of the steering wheel;

Suddenly people will start driving a car with the respect it deserves.

[5lab]

Probably a whole new thread but..... If you want a safe car, remove traction control, ABS, airbags, stability control and stick a whopping big spike in the middle of the steering wheel;

Suddenly people will start driving a car with the respect it deserves.

i've heard that before, but it wouldnt help you in the 50% of accidents that aren't your fault.. besides, as these things come in, road deaths are dropping, so they must be doing some good...

just something i've noticed - everyone in here seems to think they are a good driver, and they're doing the right thing. perhaps thats the problem?

[rajagra]

I think you'll find that he's right - nsl roads are where most accidents happen iirc...

You don't recall correctly. Your thought is wrong. "Most accidents" happen in town at low speeds, not on nsl roads.
You are an excellent example of what I was talking about. You have taken a comment about whether nsl roads have a "higher serious crash rate", then started talking about "where most accidents happen". The difference may not mean much to you, but it is the difference between truth and fiction.

From http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/group...ts_041303.hcsp
Accidents in 2004:
Motorways: 9,072
A roads: 94,429
Other roads: 103,909
Bear in mind that not all A roads are nsl! Most accidents do indeed happen on non-nsl roads.

you're part of the problem

How do you work that out? I stick below the speed limit, because I want to keep my clean licence. I also choose a safe speed.

[5lab]

rajagra, my origional post claimed that most crashes with serious injuries (which isnt just an ambulance turning up, its classified as broken bones or sevear cuts or something) happen on nsl roads. at <30mph, you're not going to get serious injuries if everyone was strapped in

[rajagra]

rajagra, my origional post claimed that most crashes with serious injuries ... happen on nsl roads.

No, you worded it completely differently. At least your new wording has a clearly defined meaning, though. Lets look at the facts, same source as above.
Fatal and serious accidents in 2004:
Motorways: 1047.
A roads: 14,055.
Other roads: 14,624.
It's a close call, not knowing how many A road accidents were on nsl stretches. Here's what we can tell:
Crashes with fatalities/serious injuries on nsl roads is somewhere between 1,047 and 15,102.
Crashes with fatalities/serious injuries on non-nsl roads is somewhere between 14,624 and 28,679.
On balance I think it's fair to say your claim is wrong.

serious injuries (which isnt just an ambulance turning up, its classified as broken bones or sevear cuts or something)

Like I said, I've gone down as a serious accident statistic even though I was not hurt. (I was knocked off a motorbike, bypassers literally held me down until an ambulance arrived, I was taken to hospital to be checked out etc.)

at <30mph, you're not going to get serious injuries if everyone was strapped in

Tell that to the pedestrian/cyclist/motorcyclist/horse rider, etc., etc. But I know what you mean.

[J4MES]

Fatal and serious accidents in 2004:
Motorways: 1047.
A roads: 14,055.
Other roads: 14,624

...so other roads include b roads, un-classified rural/urban, all urban etc. etc...

so A roads + unclassified nsl urban/rural roads in all probability have the most (and i ain't defining that term) accidents p/m...

my point remains - we all drive at a 'safe' speed, regardless of the limit set - this is fine if it's under the limit, but it seems acceptable to most to do the same if you're 1/2/15 mph over the limit too...

[RedPutty]

Sometimes it seems everyone speeds, I never used to but do now as does the car in front and behind me. Sometimes I see red too and lean on the horn and drive a little aggressively, you guys are right though it is simply not worth it.

[rajagra]

unclassified nsl urban/rural roads

Do such roads exist?
I was under the impression that roads with the 60/70 nsl HAD to be classed as A-roads, because that's the only way they get maintained to a high enough standard.
On reflection, maybe I'm wrong, but it's hard to find a definitive statement. This link does suggest that only dual carriageways and good quality single carriageway 'A' roads should qualify for 60/70 nsl, and I think that in general that's how it works.
Do you get dual-carriageway B-roads? Maybe some that have been downgraded, but I'd think there are relatively few, and they'd have a lower limit imposed anyway.

BTW, I'm saying "60/70 nsl" because, strictly speaking, nsl can also refer to the 30mph limit in built-up areas with street lighting.

[J4MES]

Do such roads exist?

yes...

I was under the impression that roads with the 60/70 nsl HAD to be classed as A-roads, because that's the only way they get maintained to a high enough standard.
On reflection, maybe I'm wrong

...you are...

[J4MES]

I think there should be harsher tests, theres more ppl on the road now than theres ever been and the way that some of these newer drivers drive is terrible, as for scooter riders, dont even get me started on them little ******s....

you're right... but less deaths/accidents per car/driver/mile driven than at any time before, and iirc we've the 'safest' roads in the EU... as for scooter drivers, it's bus drivers (and taxis come to think about it) that do it for me...

[[GSV]Trig]

I find that bus drivers are much worse than taxi drivers round here, not being racist either but all of the bad ones seem to have rather good tans...