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    All three series of lost on 1 blu ray.

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    It seems clear that the BBC (or at least their web news people) are backing Blu-Ray as well. At the beginning of last week, when we (who visit tech sites) were all reading articles about how HD DVD group claims it's trouncing Blu-ray and HD-DVD Claims 60% of Dedicated Players, the BBC had "Sony upbeat in DVD format battle" - "Sony says shipments of its Blu-ray high definition DVD players in the US could jump sixfold this year, to 600,000". In other words, Sony is making that many. Considering they've only sold half of the PS3s they've made (that's a splidge over 3 million sold out of a splodge over 6 million shipped, if you want the figures), I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

    As far as dedicated players go, Blu-Ray has just hit 100,000, while the latest figures for HD-DVD are around 150,000 (according to DEG). One could argue that the other 150,000 HD-DVD drives for 360s could count towards 'dedicated players', as the only reason people would buy them are for movies, but that's a debate for people who aren't me and aren't posting in a Sony Gaming forum.

    I'll pick an HD Wars side once I've bought an HDTV. Or maybe if I buy a 360 or a PS3 beforehand (unlikely as that is).

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    Nice stats!!! You not getting into the whole hd era yet jim????? The prices for hdtv's are creeping down all the time.

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    I know. I don't want to spend £300 on an average 32" LCD HDTV, as the majority of UK stuff is still SDTV. I *do* want to spend £500 on a nice enough 40"/42" plasma, so I guess I'm just waiting for the prices to drop.

    But then..... I've got a nice 32" Sony WEGA CRT at the moment, which is a better TV than any of my friends bar one... I'd be better off spending £500 on a nice holiday or a few prostitutes, or even clearing away most of my debts or something! I've got a 2005FPW if I *need* to see anything HD, and I rarely just watch TV - it tends to be on in the background, or if I have friends over for dinner we'll stick something on. And... err... somehow this is turning into a post about me.

    I hate the HD choice at the moment - £200 for an HD-DVD standalone player (well, £215)... but then, a PS3 is only a little over £150 more... but then... aagh! It's an easy choice for 360 owners, as £99 is a throwaway spend, despite the noise of the console. It's slightly telling that I'd only pick up a PS3 as a Blu-Ray player, as it does to a degree invalidate those 'dedicated' statistics I mentioned above. Essentially, the PS3 makes it impossible to gauge the market at this stage.

    Which suits me just fine, as I don't have an HDTV.

    (Oddly, while I wouldn't be surprised if Blu-Ray loses, I *would* be surprised if HD-DVD wins. Does that make sense?!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by gtech View Post
    yup, its outselling the hd-dvd 3to1 and was the first high-def media to enter the top 10 at amazon, there was a blog i read at insomnia studio's saying you could cut and chop any game to fit on a dvd but you want a high def experience right!!!, take gears of war lovely game super high res textures all done by epics superb texture streaming but using that can be costly on space, each level is a bout a gig so your limited to so many levels, also with all ps3's having blu-ray and a hard drive their not limited!!!. And then you get stranglehold game with hard boiled blu-ray film all on 1 disc!! its early days
    A few points here

    1) The unreal engine is (IMO) the best games engine on the market. Steve and the guys who develop it are nothing sort of programming gods. It is highly optimised and well written. It is also used across many games and not just gears. By your own admission, what you're saying is that bigger media allows for more sloppy programming and less efficient use of resources.

    2) The media does not decide if the game is a "high def experience". The media is mealy a place where the data is stored. If it was a small game, you could happily do it on a CD.

    3) Even if the game was too big to fit on one disk, you'd simply do what optical based games machines have been doing since the PS1 - Ship multiple disks.
    At the moment 2 DVD's would be amazingly cheaper than a single HD (either HD-DVD or BR) disk.

    4) Who cares what gets first into the top 10 on Amazon? Its early days and means nothing.

    5) Please learn what the return key is
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    1. i agree that the unreal 3 engine is 1 of the best in the business
    By your own admission, what you're saying is that bigger media allows for more sloppy programming and less efficient use of resources
    ...erm no maybe the guy from insomnia does cus resistance was 16gb and apart from the amazon comment it was all quoted from his blog.


    2. 1st high-def media (i.e disk) to enter amazon top ten was a blu-ray high def disk (high-def media), do what you want with that info, i read it on amazon and added it into my comment.

    3. I know 2 dvd's are fine but it was interesting reading in the blog how insomnia could'nt of had all the high-def cut scenes if it was'nt on blu-ray,

    4. see 2

    5. leave it out you tart!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PenguinJim View Post
    As far as dedicated players go, Blu-Ray has just hit 100,000, while the latest figures for HD-DVD are around 150,000 (according to DEG). One could argue that the other 150,000 HD-DVD drives for 360s could count towards 'dedicated players', as the only reason people would buy them are for movies
    (Just to make it clear, these are US statistics. I've cited these as relevant to the thread, as "Blu-ray winning out over HD-DVD" (this thread's title) should read "Blu-ray winning out over HD-DVD in one country". In Europe HD-DVD is winning (ooh, and Heroes HD-DVD in August!), but that's for another thread about the UK or Europe or Earth or something. Barrichello's thread titles and/or assumptions could perhaps use some work in future - either that, or he doesn't know that this is primarily a UK site )

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    It still means nothing tho, ooo 100,000 dedicated players. Thats what a day's worth of sales of DVD players heh.

    Neither is winning, DVD is owning them both

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    Sshhhh, you're ruining this great Sony Gaming thread. Regardless of whether or not HD-DVD is outperforming Blu-Ray in Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PenguinJim View Post
    It's an easy choice for 360 owners, as £99 is a throwaway spend, despite the noise of the console. I
    Have to agree with the noise

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    Quote Originally Posted by TiG
    It still means nothing tho, ooo 100,000 dedicated players. Thats what a day's worth of sales of DVD players heh.

    Neither is winning, DVD is owning them both
    And going from strength to strength. Movies get released on DVD sooner these days and their prices drop quickly. Tesco, Asda and the like often have big releases such as hot fuzz and casino royale as a incredibly cheap loss leaders, meaning its never been cheaper for the consumer

    The increased picture quality doesn't justify such a large outlay for a HD player and the discs, not to me at least. There isn't much chance of the mass market biting until there are some serious price drops.

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    leave it out you tart!
    Now, now. No need to get personal. I have found a lovely article for you to peruse at your leisure
    http://www.bobbrooke.com/WritersCorn...swhentouse.htm

    Or perhaps you could later realise that the quality of your post is severely lacking and edit it, leaving only a smiley in the place of your original 'thoughts'.

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    Have to agree with the noise

    Yeah, wouldn't want to ruin the spine tingling dialogue of Bad Boys 2

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve threlfall View Post
    The increased picture quality doesn't justify such a large outlay for a HD player and the discs, not to me at least. There isn't much chance of the mass market biting until there are some serious price drops.
    Fair enough, yep the players are still fairly expensive - i remember ages/years ago when i was helping a mate out in his shop selling pc's and we were selling them with dvd-rom drives. People would ask "why do i need a dvd-rom drive" and i would say "well among other things you can watch films, and in a few years dvds will replace vhs tape in sales" - and he laughed saying never - look where we are now

    I agree that the hd players are still expensive - but to be honest blu-ray films you can get really cheap now - all of the latest films starting from £12.99 inc free delivery http://www.movietyme.com/catalog/def...caf99e4b1698f3

    I would not recommend buying a hd player/ps3 etc unless you have the av kit to go with it - i only got mine as i took delivery of my nice new screen to play it on (46" 1080p Sony screen)

    Quote Originally Posted by steve threlfall View Post
    Yeah, wouldn't want to ruin the spine tingling dialogue of Bad Boys 2
    Hehe no i meant the loudness of the drive and console - really does make a racket.

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    jees steve your a serious forumtroll
    i dont feel the need for returns
    as im lazy when it comes to forum comments.
    Dealing with that ****e everyday
    means sometimes i cant be assed!
    if you cant read it or understand it then
    its you with the problem!!!
    schools finished
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    What no comment about normal SD DVD's owning both blueray and HD-dvds Gtech? going back to hassling people going against your views.

    Its not trolling its completely true, neither HD format are being taken up enough to justify them being viewed as Mass market at the moment. DVD rules all formats at the moment end of.

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    i havent hassled anyone, i got hassled for not using returns!!!its obvious that dvd's rule but is this thread called blu-ray wins over hd-dvd and dvd???????,its nice to find out that it does in some countries and doesnt in others which i found out from this thread. And hopefully as you have noticed i cant be assed to use return.

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