AMD - Piledriver chitchat

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Check the power consumption figures out:

http://translate.google.com/translat...%23post5036332

It seems that the IGP is far more efficient than Richland!!

The Anandtech thread is painful.

Yep.

[kompukare]

The Anandtech thread is painful.

They always are. Far too many 6 core SB-E people with QuadSLI there who need to feel good about their purchases. While spending lots of money is one definition of enthusiast, it is by far not the only one. For instance another popular opinion over there (aside from Intel are gods, AMD are budget junk; aka expensive must be better) is that those nostalgic for real overclocking (taking a budget chip and getting high performance out of) which disappeared on the Intel side with Sandy Bridge are suffering from an entitlement culture. Only Intel shareholders could think like that!

Anyway, in my books overclocking a Celeron C2 100% on a cheap mATX board is a better definition of a hardware enthusiast than someone who changes the multiplier on their Intel i7-4770K on their £200 motherboard.

Funny thing is a lot of these Intel fans are also Nvidia fans and while Intel's quality and CS are top notch, the way Nvidia behaved with their defective solder bumps was more akin to OCZ. Hardly a premium brand, just a premium price!

Those power consumption numbers look quite good actually. Wonder how think look OC'ed since there must be a reason why Kaveri isn't clocked higher and I suspect GF's 28nm process doesn't look good at higher speeds.

Would like to see if AMD manages to make meaningful progress with hybrid Crossfire. And really, their drivers should make it so that cards with ZeroCore (all GCN onwards I think) are able to totally turn off their fans when not being used. I don't bind fans when gaming or stressing a computer but I really would like my desktop to shut off all fans when just webbrosing etc. (Obviously I would also have to get a PSU which is fanless at low loads, a big CPU heatsink and so.)

[watercooled]

I think a better term than enthusiasts would be elitists for certain groups - feeling they're somehow superior beings for owning a different bit of silicon to someone else.

Quality is a rather ambiguous term TBH. If they're referring to QC, what about the mass chipset recall Intel had to do due to failing SATA controllers? Granted they handled it well, but the whole 'AMD is worse quality' argument is deeply flawed at best.

On the subject of the Intel-Nvidia hybrid fanboys, I don't get it. Intel and Nvidia are competitors as much as AMD are with either of them. Intel bullied Nvidia out of the chipset market (which was a large market for them), and blocked them from competing in the x86 CPU market - Denver was originally rumoured to execute x86 code for example.

I agree some sort of graphics card 'gating' would be great. Even when completely idle, discrete cards are generally using something like 10-20W, so there's still room for improvement. Something similar is done on laptops with discrete GPUs, there just doesn't seem to be a big push to do it on desktop.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Whats funny about that thread is all the noise about how AMD CPUs costs you a billion dollars to run,and Intel IGPs now are so fantasic,the AMD ones are pointless. Moreover,Iris Pro all of a sudden means AMD is dead and is valid comparison to a £100 APU. If not Haswell Iris Pro,then Broadwell Iris Pro. This is despite the fact it launched six months ago and is mostly absent from anything but Apple systems.

Edit!!

Failing that they start some whinge about AMD financials,etc.

[Terbinator]

It was the Iris Pro stuff that got me on their and the sudden jump some were making in expecting Intel to bring their $700 iGPU to Kaveri matching prices with Broadwell. Err, no.

How long was it before we seen Haswell i3s? The fact some think they're being completely fair whilst posting with their Intel logo avatars lol.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

It was the Iris Pro stuff that got me on their and the sudden jump some were making in expecting Intel to bring their $700 iGPU to Kaveri matching prices with Broadwell. Err, no.

How long was it before we seen Haswell i3s? The fact some think they're being completely fair whilst posting with their Intel logo avatars lol.

Do you post on there by any chance or is it more lurking? Me and kompukare do post on there sometimes,but its like a fight against stupidity at times.

[Terbinator]

Just lurk for news.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Just lurk for news.

I try to repost anything I see useful over there in this thread,to save yourselves reading the mountain of drivel.

[kompukare]

Nah, think I've had enough of that, for now

AS to Broadwell and Iris Pro? Well hard to say, I guess Intel will have some spare transistors on 16nm but they might stick to mostly reducing their dies even further. At that stage their fabs might be under-utilised. Actually wanted to look into that some day: the trend in die sizes, transistor count for each of Intel's node back to the P4. Want to see whether as AMD became less competitor Intel's value (die size for a giving cost to the consumer) went down.

Kaveri does look good but of course if AMD had been in a better financial condition this kind of thing might have happened ages ago (~8 years since they bought ATI). This might their most important CPU launch since the Athlon64 even if it won't impress the elite enthusiasts. It really all depends on how the mobile parts perform as that's where they've lost the most revenue. A good launch of Kaveri, a rebrand of Enduro plus Mantel (and the console revenue) would really make a huge difference. But even if they have better financials and if they wanted to get back into the high-performance market, these things take time.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

The problem is the eDRAM itself is another 80MM2 and Intel does need to use their 22NM fabs for something,if they want to make back all their investment. I can see only some of the Intel CPUs being released at 14NM initially,ie, ULV type CPUs and others being phased in over time,and some GT3e type parts for Apple.

Remember,the current Core i5 and Core i7 dies are the same ones used for the mobile CPUs,and Intel is not shifting over to Broadwell for most of its desktop chips next year. It will probably be the same for the Core i3 chips for desktop too,which are the same ones used for mobile.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Launch time is 8AM EST which is 1PM GMT.

[Biscuit]

today?

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

LOL:
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/sho...2#post25655002

At times I really just don't understand people.

Spending pounds to save pennies.

today?

Yes.

[HalloweenJack]

iris pro costs too much to make especially with that edram real estate. they cant make it cheap enough , which is why its limited to apple systems (and unique items like the gigabyte brix)


btw

http://www.ebuyer.com/602663-gigabyt...t-gb-bxi7-4500

£449 and its not the iris pro

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

It seems I was right:

http://www.pcgameshardware.de/screen...x-Power-v2.png

An FX6300 consumes around 15W to 45W more at the wall than a Haswell Core i5.

Edit!!

I have noticed more and more threads on various forums in the last month or so from low post count or new posters,justifying buying more expensive Intel CPUs due to lower power consumption. Most of this seems to be justified around load power measurements,ie,the useless LinX tests.

Interesting timing IMHO.

[watercooled]

iris pro costs too much to make especially with that edram real estate. they cant make it cheap enough , which is why its limited to apple systems (and unique items like the gigabyte brix)


btw

http://www.ebuyer.com/602663-gigabyt...t-gb-bxi7-4500

£449 and its not the iris pro

And that's without memory, storage, or an operating system.