AMD - Piledriver chitchat

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Having a look at those figures, the i7-3770K is the same result as when that cpu was released.

By the time the FX-8350 was released, even though Pandaria wasn't out at the time that review was written the preparation patch was deployed so the world was already on that codebase.

So either Anandtech run a private server and the values are out of date, or they are a mix of 4.x and 5.x clients. Either way the graphs would be junk. Pah.

If you look at the Anandtech bench results for the FX8150, they have not updated them to the latest patch results last time I checked!

[Terbinator]

Always been the problem with the AT bench.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

It looks like the recently announced FirePro cards have made it into their first supercomputer:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6457/g...-by-amd-nvidia

Meanwhile at #2 on the Green500 is King Abdulaziz City for Science and Technology’s SANAM supercomputer, which is the only computer on the list powered by AMD GPUs. SANAM uses 420 of AMD’s recently announced FirePro S10000 cards, which are in turn each composed of 2 of AMD’s Tahiti GPUs. While AMD has had a significant showing in the Green500 list for several years now from the CPU side of things, they have never been a contender as a co-processor vendor, so this is a significant breakthrough for AMD and their first modern GPU compute architecture, GCN. Though much like the Xeon Phi powered Beacon, SANAM is a relatively modest supercomputer; its 2351.1 MFLOPS/W efficiency being spread among only 179KW of total power consumption (making it #52 on the Top500).

[DanceswithUnix]

Hope Charlie is wrong on this one:

http://semiaccurate.com/2012/11/19/a...and-excavator/

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Hope Charlie is wrong on this one:

http://semiaccurate.com/2012/11/19/a...and-excavator/

His last few predictions have not really worked out that much have they?? The recent Nvidia ones were off - I feel he is just trying to fish for more page hits. However,a lot of people in the tech field are involved in giving investment advice too,so also think of that angle too.

The worst thing is that such rumours are actually just causing AMD stock to crash even more.

If you look on twitter,he has been on massive anti-AMD mode the last six months,and it is reaching nearly the same level as his Nvidia hate. It seems last year when AMD downsized,it might have meant many of the insiders he used to have,are now gone and he has been increasingly negative about AMD.

He is also going into anti-MS mode too,saying they will fail as a company.

Funnily,he seems to be warming up to Intel more this year,putting as much positive spin on what they are doing as possible.

Edit!!

Another thing is that is that,I believe it is site which said Kaveri would be out early next year,etc.

The problem is if Trinity came out a year or so after Llano and Vishera a year or so after Bulldozer,you would be still looking at Q3 2013 for their sucessors,possibly Q4 2013 at the earliest.

So,leak out some pie in the sky stuff "early" to get page hits and then later on when reality hits,say its delayed, cancelled,etc.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

BTW,look at this:

http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/29...ales-were-apus

75% of CPU sales AMD has are APUs.

As a mate told me,is the article getting confused between CPU cores or CPUs??

AM3+ and the existing server platforms being canned makes sense as the infrastructure is getting long in the tooth.

Like with Intel we will see all future AMD CPUs having an IGP and probably using the FM socket. Even in the server environment they can probably use modified APUs and hence it makes much more sense why they bought Seamicro.

IIRC,they are also looking at replacing HT too.

[DanceswithUnix]

Yes he does seem a bit more ranty than usual, but he does still get some interesting leaks.

But to say that the team developing Steamroller were canned?? That would make Jaguar their high end chip. No halo product.

OK the low end stuff is selling well:

http://www.techpowerup.com/175751/AP...sor-Sales.html

but if the rumours are true about Playstation and Xbox looking at X86, what the hell are they going to sell them if they have no high end cores?

Edit to add: lol, crossed postings.

[watercooled]

As I've said before, I'm pretty much completely avoiding SA now, it's close to being as ranty and childish as another site some of us know but I don't want to mention as they don't deserve the hits.

The vast majority of rumours from sites like this are complete crap; the inaccurate ones are forgotten about by most, and removed from the site, while the ones they luckily get right, they continue to beat their chests about and link back to for decades to come. An example would be SA on Larrabee, does anyone else remember how SA were saying how much of a disaster it was, how it was doomed to fail, etc etc? Now, try to find one of those articles on the site. What remains are a couple of articles along the lines of 'it's not quite dead' and later 'remember how we said it wasn't dead? we were right OMG!!'

TL-DR - take everything with a few buckets of salt...

[DanceswithUnix]

BTW,look at this:

http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/29...ales-were-apus

75% of CPU sales AMD has are APUs.

As a mate told me,is the article getting confused between CPU cores or CPUs??

AM3+ and the existing server platforms being canned makes sense as the infrastructure is getting long in the tooth.

Like with Intel we will see all future AMD CPUs having an IGP and probably using the FM socket. Even in the server environment they can probably use modified APUs and hence it makes much more sense why they bought Seamicro.

IIRC,they are also looking at replacing HT too.

I read it as cores. Perhaps Chinese whispers has distorted the rumour by the time it got to Charlie but it seemed quite clear to me.

I have a horrible feeling the HT replacement that AMD management were talking about is Seamicro.

[watercooled]

Also, SA removing comments makes more sense now. I thought it was more to do with the childish ranting on a couple of the posts, but it's probably more to stop people questioning anything, and having viewers seeing any evidence to the contrary posted by others, for example. The timing does coincide well when the site went from semi-accurate to complete emotional fanboy rant.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I read it as cores. Perhaps Chinese whispers has distorted the rumour by the time it got to Charlie but it seemed quite clear to me.

I have a horrible feeling the HT replacement that AMD management were talking about is Seamicro.

I think the HT replacement is the weirdly named "Freedom Fabric" which is a Seamicro technology.

Yes he does seem a bit more ranty than usual, but he does still get some interesting leaks.

But to say that the team developing Steamroller were canned?? That would make Jaguar their high end chip. No halo product.

OK the low end stuff is selling well:

http://www.techpowerup.com/175751/AP...sor-Sales.html

but if the rumours are true about Playstation and Xbox looking at X86, what the hell are they going to sell them if they have no high end cores?

Edit to add: lol, crossed postings.

The thing is both Trinity and Vishera use the same cores. So AMD might be just reducing product lines to Jaguar and FM2.

Considering that PS4 dev kits are already using Trinity and their CEO have announced wins for the their "semi-custom" APUs and AMD is trying to concentrate more on SOCs,why would they be cancelling their cores?? Things like the PS4 are wins AMD has more or less indicated they want,so are they are going to tell Sony and maybe MS,sorry chaps use Intel/IBM/Nvidia as we don't want to make any money from this??

[DanceswithUnix]

Also, SA removing comments makes more sense now. I thought it was more to do with the childish ranting on a couple of the posts, but it's probably more to stop people questioning anything, and having viewers seeing any evidence to the contrary posted by others, for example. The timing does coincide well when the site went from semi-accurate to complete emotional fanboy rant.

Oh I'm quite aware that the guy, erm, "has issues"

and yet people seem to tell him stuff. The fun part is filtering out his opinion from the rumours he has been told. He claims to cross check rumours before he prints them, which I can believe. It is a shame he then adds angry ranting to fill the piece out.

[watercooled]

Some readers (enthusiasts, for example) will be able to filter out the emotional and/or extremely unlikely stuff, but it's somewhat frightening because a lot of less-interested people will also read this, some of them shareholders who get a faint whiff of something negative and panic, even if it holds no truth whatsoever.

We've accused the likes of Anandtech of being fairly biased/unfair towards certain brands in the past, but looking back now it seems insignificant!

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Thats the media for you - remember Northern Rock?? All the media doom-mongering probably lead to it collapsing so quickly.

Its all Chicken Little,the sky is falling!!

Any bad news,equals good news.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Updated 11/19/2012@10:15am: AMD contacted us with an official denial of the story and stated that Kaveri and the big cores are still on track.

Looks like AMD PR minions are more proactive nowadays!!

[watercooled]

Good to see! It's not the sort of rumour you want hitting the headlines when you're already suffering from a ton of bad press!