AMD - Piledriver chitchat

[scaryjim]

Makes sense, they can start marketing the "first stock 5GHz CPU!!1!" to consumers

They've already done that when they released the 9590 without a bundled cooler. Can't say I'm surprised we got worst-case scenario, although if it is priced below the 4790k then it's still a decent enthusiast purchase ... just not as exciting as it could've been *sigh*

[mikeo01]

Problem being is this "release" doesn't really target a huge set of individuals as most "overclockers" will probably already have a high end cooling setup; whether that be water cooling, AIO water cooling or air coolers.

Unless that AIO is somehow on par with a H100i or something I don't see it being all that popular. Basically a waste of cash and time spent on marketing for a product that isn't all that valid any more.

AMD really need to shape up and let go of AM3+. It is hurting not only their business but they are losing enthusiast support.

Besides, AMD have already hand selected the highest performing chips for this so I can't imagine getting a further overclock out of it. Say high OC, yeah, 250W-300W anyone? Chip may be as cold as it wants, that poor motherboard will give way sooner or later. Only a few motherboards officially support the monster chips out of the box and they aren't the cheapest of the bunch.


Let go of it AMD. Considering they are using the FX term on mobile was it? They seem to be all over the place lately. Basically, they are making Intel look great. Your 4790k based system will be cheaper, quieter, cooler and not so heavy on the watts or motherboard.


It is disappointing. I do hope AMD have something up their sleeve because all these releases are turning business away.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

LOL,at the new FX9590 package. I would be more excited if they shipped the FX8320 and FX8350 with a beefier cooler.

BTW,another crap Bit-tech review:

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/201...g3258-review/1

I thought Hexus bought them up?? Seems,business as usual for them.

[watercooled]

Well it helps if they use consistent parts, at least when comparing things like power consumption on the same platform. An i7 uses nearly double the idle power of the Pentium? Really?

It's a bit like reviewing solar panels but testing one in direct sunlight and the other on an overcast day - the numbers are utterly meaningless!

Edit: And it looks like they're still using their 16x16 pixel video for the Handbrake tests.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Well it helps if they use consistent parts, at least when comparing things like power consumption on the same platform. An i7 uses nearly double the idle power of the Pentium? Really?

It's a bit like reviewing solar panels but testing one in direct sunlight and the other on an overcast day - the numbers are utterly meaningless!

Edit: And it looks like they're still using their 16x16 pixel video for the Handbrake tests.

I see more and more people looking at reviews like the Bit-tech one and pushing the Pentium as the only budget CPU worth considering(while having a dig at AMD too).

I called it before the reviews. Predictable and depressing at the same time.

I don't blame them at times,since many of the reviews are meh TBH!

[Xlucine]

Odd that a whole lot of AMD CPU's disappear off their charts for the gaming tests. This is also the second time they've made an excuse for the lack of FX-8150 results in the total war test

Edit: And it looks like they're still using their 16x16 pixel video for the Handbrake tests.

Out of interest, how does this change the results?

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Out of interest, how does this change the results?

You missed the epic Hexus HandBrake threads then?

First one:

http://forums.hexus.net/pc-hardware-...ded-power.html

I noticed Bit-tech had some wonky results for HandBrake encoding,ie, my Core i3 2100 beating a Phenom II X4 and coming close to a Phenom II X6.

I had both a Core i3 2100 and a Q6600,and at the time the latter was faster.

Hence,we started a massive thread!



It was noticed by people on other forums and some of those videos are still used in various HandBrake threads on other forums.

Basically after doing some digging,I managed to find the most likely scenario was that Bit-tech were using tiny,low resolution files.

[watercooled]

Yeah, low resolution videos scale poorly across threads, whereas realistic resolutions like we used in that crowd-sourced benchmark scale with threads excellently as you can see. Our results are easily repeatable/verifiable, with disclosed and realistic source material and settings.

For example, in the above chart, compare the Phenom II 1100T at ~35fps in BBB, against the similarly-clocked 965BE at 24fps. 24/4= roughly 6 per core. Multiplied by 6 = 36 predicted for the six-core. Add a small amount to compensate for the lower clock and less per-core L3 cache on the six-core and you end up with pretty good scaling.

The BT results, in contract, show very poor scaling. Also, notice how the BT chart shows a dual core i3 outperforming a six core Phenom. Really?? We have many results which quite conclusively disagree with that!

[Terbinator]

We need to fire up a Handbrake chart again. Just a shame I didn't give it a blast when I had a 5.1GHz 3770K to mince through it

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

The next two kind of lost some steam sadly(I didn't help either).

There is this one for the latest version which I failed miserably at:

http://forums.hexus.net/pc-hardware-...uick-sync.html

[DanceswithUnix]

The next two kind of lost some steam sadly(I didn't help either).

There is this one for the latest version which I failed miserably at:

http://forums.hexus.net/pc-hardware-...uick-sync.html

That release of Handbrake felt kind of half baked to me, but I see there still isn't a new one out. Looks like the OpenCL support is still a bit meh.

https://trac.handbrake.fr/wiki/GPUAcceleration

[AETAaAS]

AMD approached by Intel re access to Mantle

Interesting, if Intel gets behind it, just means more steam in the Mantle API and hopefully better gaming for everyone. AMD for their part has said that they will give access later this year when it goes out of closed beta which is nice to see; it means they will keep to their promise of it being an open platform.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I don't know how I missed this:

http://www.pcgameshardware.de/CPU-Ha...troom-1109093/



The Core i3 is slower than the AMD CPUs!!

[Xlucine]

I wouldn't have expected an 4670k to beat a high end FX CPU, there shouldn't be much speed difference and one of them has 8 physical cores - I guess the bloat in intel processor dies is good for something

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I wouldn't have expected an 4670k to beat a high end FX CPU, there shouldn't be much speed difference and one of them has 8 physical cores - I guess the bloat in intel processor dies is good for something

The Core i3 is loosing to the AMD APUs and the £105 FX8320 is not massively slower than a Core i5 4670K though.

[scaryjim]

The test can't be that heavily threaded - there's no way an FX6350 (6 cores @ 3.9GHz) should match an FX8150 (8 cores @ 3.6GHz) in a well threaded test, nor should the 4770k be performing better with HT off than with HT on.

Similarly the Athlon X4 740 seems to perform quite poorly - sure, it's only a 3.2GHz part but with 4 threads it should outperform the Pentium on most well threaded tasks. That suggests that at least part of the test requires decent single-threaded performance.