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    Re: AMD - Zen chitchat

    Ryzen can idle below 1GHz. I don't know if it is still the case but I know CoreTemp and the Windows task manager used to incorrectly report core frequency, and usually displayed the base clock. Other hardware monitors could report the actual clock speeds though. You might also need to check your power plan (again an old problem that I think Microsoft has fixed) and see what the minimum CPU speed is set to.

    Maybe your motherboard is also keeping your CPU speed up so check if there are any enhancements enabled?

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    Re: AMD - Zen chitchat

    Please advise me folks (and hello after a short period abstinant)

    I have parts for a desktop build for my front room (I live alone) including :

    a no MSI X470 GAMING PLUS ATX from Germany (had to order 4*SATA for it as someone had removed and returned. the product us.
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    ASRock MicroATX Motherboard (B450M-HDV) - I don't know why I bought this it's still boxed and I should move it on. Prime fever maybe!
    new pre#tested though as yet unfunctioned! here's TEAM GROUP T FORCE VULCAN TUF 16GB DDR4 3600 (19 19 19 39 1.35V) which cot £121 inclusives durings an 3/2 A.Di 2 19

    I have recently got after some money worried 3 QUADRO P383 which should manage 1080p @ 75 or maybe 90 hz if I am lucky with Win10.

    Should I sell the boxed new CPU for a 2 or 3 series Ryzen chip? My main desktop runs an 1700 @ 3.9 (while it used to do 4.05 GHz * 8 2 core. thread..()) with FlareX 14 3200 memory whilst a B350 Gaming Pro MSI offering (dunno which revisions).

    Thank you and it's coming too a : 1 am on 14/05/ 19
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    Re: AMD - Zen chitchat

    Quote Originally Posted by AETAaAS View Post
    Ryzen can idle below 1GHz. I don't know if it is still the case but I know CoreTemp and the Windows task manager used to incorrectly report core frequency, and usually displayed the base clock. Other hardware monitors could report the actual clock speeds though. You might also need to check your power plan (again an old problem that I think Microsoft has fixed) and see what the minimum CPU speed is set to.

    Maybe your motherboard is also keeping your CPU speed up so check if there are any enhancements enabled?
    Task manager seems more responsive than ryzen master - the AMD one only shows variation from 3.4 - 2.8 GHz, and seems to update slower. I didn't notice any motherboard enhancements on in the bios, but will have another look

    Quote Originally Posted by Millennium View Post
    Please advise me folks (and hello after a short period abstinant)

    I have parts for a desktop build for my front room (I live alone) including :

    a no MSI X470 GAMING PLUS ATX from Germany (had to order 4*SATA for it as someone had removed and returned. the product us.
    )
    Advanced Devising Ryzen 5 2400G
    ASRock MicroATX Motherboard (B450M-HDV) - I don't know why I bought this it's still boxed and I should move it on. Prime fever maybe!
    new pre#tested though as yet unfunctioned! here's TEAM GROUP T FORCE VULCAN TUF 16GB DDR4 3600 (19 19 19 39 1.35V) which cot £121 inclusives durings an 3/2 A.Di 2 19

    I have recently got after some money worried 3 QUADRO P383 which should manage 1080p @ 75 or maybe 90 hz if I am lucky with Win10.

    Should I sell the boxed new CPU for a 2 or 3 series Ryzen chip? My main desktop runs an 1700 @ 3.9 (while it used to do 4.05 GHz * 8 2 core. thread..()) with FlareX 14 3200 memory whilst a B350 Gaming Pro MSI offering (dunno which revisions).

    Thank you and it's coming too a : 1 am on 14/05/ 19
    DDR2 ram on the GPU I'd recommend just using the V11 on the 2400G, both of your motherboards have DVI and HDMI

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    Re: AMD - Zen chitchat

    Quote Originally Posted by AETAaAS View Post
    Windows task manager used to incorrectly report core frequency, and usually displayed the base clock
    I still get incorrect readings, currently 4.9GHz on my 1200
    Last edited by PC-LAD; 14-05-2019 at 11:41 AM.

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    Re: AMD - Zen chitchat

    Quote Originally Posted by Xlucine View Post
    ... DDR2 ram on the GPU I'd recommend just using the V11 on the 2400G, both of your motherboards have DVI and HDMI
    Those Quadro cards are the professional variant of the GeForce 6200 - an entry level DX9 card from 2006. I've got 10 year old motherboards with better IGPs. I'm a huge fan of retro tech, and even I would put one in a computer I actually wanted to use.

    The Ryzen 5 2400G is essentially a Haswell Core i7 with a Radeon RX550 bolted on - it's a pretty powerful package, and I can't see what you'd be doing in your living room that would need more CPU. Just slap it and the memory in whichever motherboard you prefer and you're good to go

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    Re: AMD - Zen chitchat

    I'm really surprised no one's posted info about Computex and Zen 2. https://www.anandtech.com/show/14407...e-40-coming-77

    Zen 2 is looking to be pretty strong so far!

    And that L3 cache! 32MB for the single Chiplet CPU's!
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    Re: AMD - Zen chitchat

    Quote Originally Posted by badass View Post
    And that L3 cache! 32MB for the single Chiplet CPU's!
    I think I have smaller SCSI hard disks than that in the cupboard

    Motherboards are being shown, it sounds like reviewers are under NDA, so I guess we are just waiting for proper reviews to come out. Oh, and for a retailer to take my money as I am bored of my 2200G now, it's been a cracking little chip for the money but I want the get back to playing VR.

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    Re: AMD - Zen chitchat

    It has been a long, long time since I actually got excited about anything hardware related. Recently it has been a matter of resenting having to pay so damn much just to keep pace (i.e. GPU upgrades).

    The news Ryzen chips, PCI-E 4 and their associated M.2 SSDs have changed that and I actually have the urge to upgrade for the first time in ages.

    Since the last update, I've been getting some horrible lag in games which seems to correspond to loading new bits of a map. It was there initially after my upgrade to 4K gaming but it has gone from twice in a 30 minute level to once every 30 seconds and it's annoying. From the news articles, I suspect this is due to yet another performance hammering Intel vulnerablity patch. It has got to the point where I've now applied the overclock I've been holding back on and I'll see if that helps.

    In the mean time, it is definitely time to be considering a new generation Ryzen, a new mobo, an M2 SSD that has these insane PCI-E 4.0 speeds and so on. The only thing is I want to be keeping my old PCI sound card which was extremely expensive and is still very good. The new Ryzen chips with all their cache are seeming like a real, proper step up and on top of that they are at a reasonable price. This is what Intel should have been doing but have been holding back on in their arrogance.

    I hope they get pasted for it as it'll perhaps stop them being so damned arrogant in the future. If they had been sandbagging and had something useful ready for release it would be different but it's clear they didn't even bother doing that.

    The question will be what to go for - mid range again or push the boat out for something pokey. I await benchmarks with hairy palms.

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    Re: AMD - Zen chitchat

    Similarly to the above, I'm eagerly anticipating these new chips. What I have begun to notice though is the proliferation of motherboards with 8+4 pin EPS sockets - these started around the X470 gamer type boards I think, but look like they will be present in X570 too.

    This worries me, mainly because I don't have a route to get +4 neatly from my PSU, but also because that's suggesting really extreme power draw possibilities.

    Are they adding the cost of the connector just on the off chance you want to LN2 overclock a 3900X? Will only providing an 8pin reduce the number of VRM/phases delivering power to the chip?

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    Re: AMD - Zen chitchat

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    Similarly to the above, I'm eagerly anticipating these new chips. What I have begun to notice though is the proliferation of motherboards with 8+4 pin EPS sockets - these started around the X470 gamer type boards I think, but look like they will be present in X570 too.

    This worries me, mainly because I don't have a route to get +4 neatly from my PSU, but also because that's suggesting really extreme power draw possibilities.

    Are they adding the cost of the connector just on the off chance you want to LN2 overclock a 3900X? Will only providing an 8pin reduce the number of VRM/phases delivering power to the chip?
    It could also be to supply 75W to each of the PCIe x16 slots on the motherboard. My X470 board has one 8 pin power socket, which seems iffy for feeding 3 GPU slots and 105W CPU. Though I am currently running one PCIe GPU and a 65W APU so I'm not exactly stressing over power limits

    I'm guessing USB-C will need a 12V feed as well.

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    Re: AMD - Zen chitchat

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    Similarly to the above, I'm eagerly anticipating these new chips. What I have begun to notice though is the proliferation of motherboards with 8+4 pin EPS sockets - these started around the X470 gamer type boards I think, but look like they will be present in X570 too.

    This worries me, mainly because I don't have a route to get +4 neatly from my PSU, but also because that's suggesting really extreme power draw possibilities.

    Are they adding the cost of the connector just on the off chance you want to LN2 overclock a 3900X? Will only providing an 8pin reduce the number of VRM/phases delivering power to the chip?
    The TDPs of the currently-announced processors don't suggest high power draw, so perhaps it's future-proofing for a possible high-clocked 16C or something?

    Either way, I doubt you'd have to actually use the +4 unless you're doing serious overclocking.

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    Re: AMD - Zen chitchat

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    Similarly to the above, I'm eagerly anticipating these new chips. What I have begun to notice though is the proliferation of motherboards with 8+4 pin EPS sockets - these started around the X470 gamer type boards I think, but look like they will be present in X570 too.

    This worries me, mainly because I don't have a route to get +4 neatly from my PSU, but also because that's suggesting really extreme power draw possibilities.

    Are they adding the cost of the connector just on the off chance you want to LN2 overclock a 3900X? Will only providing an 8pin reduce the number of VRM/phases delivering power to the chip?
    I suspect that the lower end boards (B550 maybe?) will not have these connectors as they probably won't be so overclocking focused.

    I'm also eagerly anticipating these chips but I have a problem. I can't really justify replacing my current system as although it could do with being faster at certain very rare points, they are rare and 32GB RAM that I would need makes it too pricey for my to just buy one any way. Plus I'd need an M.2 SSD just because there will be a slot for one on any motherboard I get. Thus it must be filled with an SSD with more performance than I need.
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    Re: AMD - Zen chitchat

    A wider design will always need more power when pushed to the limits - if the chiplet tops out at similar power to the current 8C die when overclocked fully, then you'll need twice the power to run two chiplets at the max. As watercooled said the TDPs are nothing unusual, so there shouldn't be any power issues unless you wanted to run an extreme overclock.

    In other news, my R3 1200 has surprised me. My RAM isn't on the 1st gen compatibility list, but it happily runs at 3 GHz without issues. I guess it must be later BIOSes improving things? I always figured the silicon was at fault in first gen ryzen, but I guess not

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    Re: AMD - Zen chitchat

    Quote Originally Posted by badass View Post
    I suspect that the lower end boards (B550 maybe?) will not have these connectors as they probably won't be so overclocking focused.

    I'm also eagerly anticipating these chips but I have a problem. I can't really justify replacing my current system as although it could do with being faster at certain very rare points, they are rare and 32GB RAM that I would need makes it too pricey for my to just buy one any way. Plus I'd need an M.2 SSD just because there will be a slot for one on any motherboard I get. Thus it must be filled with an SSD with more performance than I need.
    Perhaps with that super-fast SSD you can get away with just 16GB of ram?

    At work I got a small 250GB NVMe WD Black M.2 SSD for our server just for use as a swap drive

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    Re: AMD - Zen chitchat

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    Perhaps with that super-fast SSD you can get away with just 16GB of ram?

    At work I got a small 250GB NVMe WD Black M.2 SSD for our server just for use as a swap drive
    You probably don't notice when swapping's occurring TBH
    The problem I have is that I cannot allocate more than my physical RAM to VM's so 16GB+ fast SSD isn't an option. Plus I wouldn't do that because I couldn't bring myself to pay to "upgrade" my system and have part of it downgraded as a result.

    All I'll do is wait until my system's performance affects me enough to bother me to spend money on upgrading it. At a guess the upgrade of the "guts" will be around £600 including an M.2 SSD
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    Re: AMD - Zen chitchat

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    It could also be to supply 75W to each of the PCIe x16 slots on the motherboard. My X470 board has one 8 pin power socket, which seems iffy for feeding 3 GPU slots and 105W CPU. Though I am currently running one PCIe GPU and a 65W APU so I'm not exactly stressing over power limits

    I'm guessing USB-C will need a 12V feed as well.
    OK, interesting video I stumbled across this morning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qszxxIumJOQ

    He explains the dual 8 pins connectors are purely for CPU, there is a separate 6 pin power (in a bad location ) for extra GPU power which usually comes from the 24 pin main connector. He also gives stats for the connector, that 8 pin can apparently take about 50A which at 12V is around 600W. I think for most of use that leaves plenty of headroom without touching the second 8 pin

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