MW2 review embargo, anyone know when it's lifted?

[Rob_B]

If you are silly enough to shell out over £30 on a 6hr SP game go for it, most people won't though and as such will just pirate it, we will then have to listen to Activision/Infinity Ward bitch and moan about piracy hurting sales, blind to the fact that it was them that shot themselves in the foot.

Oh and I have no intention of buying it, I've already been a beta tester for FIFA 10 this year and have no intention of paying for the privilege of lagging my way through IWNet.

That's average price for most SP games which rarely last much more than that nowadays, if I want better value I'd buy Fallout3 again but it's my decision to buy MW2 (which I won't until it drops to sub-£30)

I can't agree with the "most people won't" comment, this game will sell by the bucketload, I'm not in any way justifying the actions of IW at all especially as I have my own gripe with MW2 (basically reskinning a game & adding new levels shouldn't justify the high price) but it's just the way things are.

I nor anyone else has any idea of the number of people who will boycott this game, I'm guessing it's not going to be a massive number as it seems mainly limited to PC-MP-Dedicated-server-requiring gamers which is surely a minority % of the game's target market.

They've tried it on with this game, no denying that, they wouldn't have dared do it with any other game for real fear of losing sales. It always goes back to the fact that if a gamer (whether Pc or console) feels a product is not worth the money they won't buy it, let sales figures talk when the game is actually out.

My initial post wasn't to justify IW (far from it) or to pass judgement on anyone boycotting/etc the game but that those vocal gamers seem to be making a massive assumption that other's won't buy it based on their own usage of a game. If you're in the minority does that mean you're in the wrong?

Well if you are prepared to play FPS on a console I'd imagine you will have little to complain about, it's not like consoles have ever had anything better.

Infinity Ward should have some respect for the people who put them where they are today, namely PC gamers.

See this is part of the problem I have, the notion of the 'almighty' PC gamer.
I have 'gamed' for nearly 20yrs on PC/Console/anything I could find. I moved to mainly console gaming for the ease it brings (no hardware problems/low cost of entry/no need for upgrades to play the latest game/etc) - it's my choice to play on whatever platform I want, PC gamers aren't owed anything more than any other gamer, expecially as console gaming now surely provides the majority of revenue for companies in 'the business' and has been around for almost as long as PC gaming!?

Again - I'm not justifying IW in this case but that's the decision they made, the sales will let them know if it was the right thing to do and, in my opinion, they will make a ton of money and be bathing in Champagne & eating unicorn steak for breakfast.
I don't believe they'll lose sleep over a few unsold copies and will probably add some 'missing' features in future updates to look like the good guy, it's business, everyone in the games business wants to make money & is pretty much a lying scumbag & if you don't realise that you need to open your eyes (that comment not directed personally btw)

[revol68]

That's average price for most SP games which rarely last much more than that nowadays, if I want better value I'd buy Fallout3 again but it's my decision to buy MW2 (which I won't until it drops to sub-£30)

I can't agree with the "most people won't" comment, this game will sell by the bucketload, I'm not in any way justifying the actions of IW at all especially as I have my own gripe with MW2 (basically reskinning a game & adding new levels shouldn't justify the high price) but it's just the way things are.

I nor anyone else has any idea of the number of people who will boycott this game, I'm guessing it's not going to be a massive number as it seems mainly limited to PC-MP-Dedicated-server-requiring gamers which is surely a minority % of the game's target market.

They've tried it on with this game, no denying that, they wouldn't have dared do it with any other game for real fear of losing sales. It always goes back to the fact that if a gamer (whether Pc or console) feels a product is not worth the money they won't buy it, let sales figures talk when the game is actually out.

My initial post wasn't to justify IW (far from it) or to pass judgement on anyone boycotting/etc the game but that those vocal gamers seem to be making a massive assumption that other's won't buy it based on their own usage of a game. If you're in the minority does that mean you're in the wrong?

It will probably still sell by the bucketload at the start but I can't see there being much of a multiplayer community off the back of it and so much less reason to buy it rather than pirate it. Be interesting to see what happens when Battlefield is released and all the clans, leagues and PC gamers who can tell a 50 ping from a 200 ping run over to it.

Has there ever been a PC game with p2p match making as it's only means of online play that has lasted any length of time online?

[Prime]

Well if you are prepared to play FPS on a console I'd imagine you will have little to complain about, it's not like consoles have ever had anything better.

through choice i play console games as their simply easier for me to manage, but considering the direction of your post its quite apparent you don't know much about console gaming as its such a pointless comment.

the bottom line is: this game has been Condemned before its even had its release, and people (mainly PC goers who have the most issues) are sticking to the negs about it.
try a bit of hands on - you might find it quite different, as im prepared to say its gash if it actually is.

[Rob_B]

I can't comment on any previous P2P games as I've never played them, console gamers seem to make do with it fine though and, as mentioned, previously the main people affected are PC gamers who must have dedicated servers, just how big is this cross-section of the gaming community as a whole?

I'm waiting for the reviews of the SP (which will probably be glowing) before I buy, I can wait for it

[Prime]

I'm waiting for the reviews of the SP (which will probably be glowing) before I buy, I can wait for it

theres a fleet of lads heading to the Midnight release now who have all pre-ordered it, ill keep you posted through my iPhone as i get into it so there's a mini HEXUS review before you wake up, AND if its a '6 hour sp campaign' then i'll have a full game review just as people are waking up

[mmh]

im boycotting the boycotts...

fair play to IW for sticking to thier guns...

they made a decision and they arent being pushed out of it (or not yet anyways) by all these whiny little bitches putting the game down before theyve even got thier grubby little mitts on it...

but then again, im a console gamer these days... what do i know?

oh yeah, i know how to get a decent gaming experience without having to update my PC every 3 months go me!

I'll be at a midnight opening getting my copy!

[revol68]

through choice i play console games as their simply easier for me to manage, but considering the direction of your post its quite apparent you don't know much about console gaming as its such a pointless comment.

the bottom line is: this game has been Condemned before its even had its release, and people (mainly PC goers who have the most issues) are sticking to the negs about it.
try a bit of hands on - you might find it quite different, as im prepared to say its gash if it actually is.

Eh I have an xbox, I use it to play FIFA (though the new one is gash, as you say), Halo, Streetfighter IV, Gears of War and Skate.

If I have the choice of playing a FPS on the PC or the 360 the PC wins every time, it isn't meant as some sort of childish "console gamers are noobs" way it's just that a controller will never match a keyboard and mouse and dedicated servers.

If I never planned to get MW2 on the PC and was used to playing such games on a console then I'd have little to complain about as I'd have never had dedicated servers or a lean button to be annoyed about losing.

[Rob_B]

theres a fleet of lads heading to the Midnight release now who have all pre-ordered it, ill keep you posted through my iPhone as i get into it so there's a mini HEXUS review before you wake up, AND if its a '6 hour sp campaign' then i'll have a full game review just as people are waking up

It's out tonight? Where have I been?!

If I never planned to get MW2 on the PC and was used to playing such games on a console then I'd have little to complain about as I'd have never had dedicated servers or a lean button to be annoyed about losing.

As it's a new game strictly speaking you've not 'lost' it as you've never played/owned the game before. Now if they took those features out of CoD4 you have my permission to be angry

Regarding you're comment below (so I don't add another reply to this thread) about superior/inferior, it's all spin, it always is and always will be

[revol68]

im boycotting the boycotts...

fair play to IW for sticking to thier guns...

they made a decision and they arent being pushed out of it (or not yet anyways) by all these whiny little bitches putting the game down before theyve even got thier grubby little mitts on it...

but then again, im a console gamer these days... what do i know?

oh yeah, i know how to get a decent gaming experience without having to update my PC every 3 months go me!

I'll be at a midnight opening getting my copy!

MW2 will run on a machine 2 years old, let alone 3 months, as have most games of late.

By all means be a console gamer, no one is ordering you not to but at least you could actually look at the issues involved instead of just backing IW because the issue doesn't directly effect you.

I'm not a clan gamer or anything but I understand how important dedicated servers are to online PC gaming and I know they are far superior to p2p match making and so even if I had no intention of ever getting MW2 I wouldn't side with a company trying to pass off an inferior product as superior.

Also no one needs to play the game to know that p2p match making is inferior to dedicated servers, any more than I need to go jump in the Irish Sea to know I'm going to get wet. Clans, leagues and potential MW2 based communities will no longer exist, and PC gamers won't put up with pings of 150 and the god awful netcode that exists to try and balance them out, with the ghosting hitboxes et al that entails.

[Grey M@a]

I would love to see what PC Zone and PC Gamer make of this game xD

Looks like I was right earlier in the thread. Game is out Tuesday and still no reviews. Either they are being cocky and know it will sell a shed load so they don't need the reviews or they are keeping it back till it's out then let them review it. I haven't seen a review of it in a PC, PS3 or XBOX mag to date.

[revol68]

It's out tonight? Where have I been?!



As it's a new game strictly speaking you've not 'lost' it as you've never played/owned the game before. Now if they took those features out of CoD4 you have my permission to be angry

Regarding you're comment below (so I don't add another reply to this thread) about superior/inferior, it's all spin, it always is and always will be

Oh come one stop being a tit, they were features no PC gamer expected not to be in the game prior to 3 weeks ago.

Doesn't it say alot that these things were only announced less than a month before release?

I'm failing to grasp the point of your comment about 'superior/inferior' all being spin? Yes to claim that p2p provides a better online experience is spin, however the opposite assertion that dedicated servers provide better latency, allow larger amounts of players, modded rules and maps and greater player control is not spin, they are facts, facts that could only be denied by the most dogmatic post modern relativist.

[revol68]

I would love to see what PC Zone and PC Gamer make of this game xD

Looks like I was right earlier in the thread. Game is out Tuesday and still no reviews. Either they are being cocky and know it will sell a shed load so they don't need the reviews or they are keeping it back till it's out then let them review it. I haven't seen a review of it in a PC, PS3 or XBOX mag to date.

The editor of PC Gamer has already did a blog on why he supports the petition to provide dedicated server support.

I imagine this months PC gaming magazines will be a fun and angry read.

[Rob_B]

Oh come one stop being a tit, they were features no PC gamer expected not to be in the game prior to 3 weeks ago.

Doesn't it say alot that these things were only announced less than a month before release?

I'm failing to grasp the point of your comment about 'superior/inferior' all being spin? Yes to claim that p2p provides a better online experience is spin, however the opposite assertion that dedicated servers provide better latency, allow larger amounts of players, modded rules and maps and greater player control is not spin, they are facts, facts that could only be denied by the most dogmatic post modern relativist.

Drop the personal comments, not needed especially as you have no right whatsoever to demand anything from a dev so if the feature is missing, don't-buy-the-game.
People whinge about 'they should support us, we made them, blah blah' did you ever stop to think the amount of fun you got out of your £30 purchase? You didn't HAVE to buy the game, you've probably got hundreds of hours out of it, you didn't just give them £30 and get nothing back. Sure they made money but so what, that's business.

I wouldn't side with a company trying to pass off an inferior product as superior.

Spin, as in IW are spinning that this is the greatest game ever, just like every single other game release ever-ever-ever, you don't have to believe what they say you know.

[revol68]

Drop the personal comments, not needed especially as you have no right whatsoever to demand anything from a dev so if the feature is missing, don't-buy-the-game.
People whinge about 'they should support us, we made them, blah blah' did you ever stop to think the amount of fun you got out of your £30 purchase? You didn't HAVE to buy the game, you've probably got hundreds of hours out of it. Sure they made money but so what, that's business.

Spin, as in IW are spinning that this is the greatest game ever, just like every single other game release ever-ever-ever, you don't have to believe what they say you know.

Spin is generally know as lying.

Sure they can do what they want with the game but they should expect criticism especially if they are expecting people to pay for it.

Your argument is the high of banality, the logical conclusion of it being that people shouldn't criticise any product or game, infact we should just wipe out most of these boards as they revolve around the criticism of technology and games.

I got a lot of fun out of Modern Warfare, I will get 6hrs fun out this one and Infinity Ward will get not one penny from me. They would have got £30 odd quid from me if they hadn't decided to stick two fingers up at PC gamers, the very people who made them what they were after they broke from EA.

[Rob_B]

Spin is generally know as lying.

Sure they can do what they want with the game but they should expect criticism especially if they are expecting people to pay for it.

Your argument is the high of banality, the logical conclusion of it being that people shouldn't criticise any product or game, infact we should just wipe out most of these boards as they revolve around the criticism of technology and games.

I got a lot of fun out of Modern Warfare, I will get 6hrs fun out this one and Infinity Ward will get not one penny from me. They would have got £30 odd quid from me if they hadn't decided to stick two fingers up at PC gamers, the very people who made them what they were after they broke from EA.

You seem to have a inability to read my posts.

If you do not like the game/have issue with it, then do not buy it, vote with your wallet.
Criticise all you want but never assume you're entitled to anything, it's a free country to buy or not to buy as you wish.

Any dev cannot cater to every single person on the planet, sure your own issues are shared with many others but you're (very likely) in the minority so deal with it in a civilised manner, email IW & tell them what you think, boycott the game, that's fine. Resorting to piracy is any interesting thing considering you banging on about what you expect from IW "you won't give me what I want so I'll pirate your game", way to go, hope your flimsy excuse makes you feel a little better about that, you've just shown that you want the game which reinforces the popular assumption that this game will be a hit regardless of the complaints directed at it.

To sum up:

- As I've said from the start no comments were intended to be directed specifically at you so stop taking it personally.

- I wouldnt say these boards are mainly used to criticise anything, far from it, they're meant for people who enjoy tech.

- You have attempted to put words in my mouth & failed, you drew your own conclusions from my posts which you have got wrong.

- This game is priced (at RRP) too high for what it is.

- Many people do not think the same as you ie it isn't black & white for or against the game, many people like me want different things & have different expectations, if someone isn't boycotting the game don't assume they fully support any actions taken by the devs/publishers of the game. Maybe they just REALLY like playing games?

- You shouldn't pirate games, pirating is bad mkay?

[Terbinator]

IMO saying dedicated servers are far superior is like haggling over 1FPS (frame per second difference) on the plus side of 60/70FPS. It isn't the dark ages of 56k anymore, ya know - not only that i can see it mattering much anyway when its going to be 9v9 at most.

Raises flame shield and wait to be told how i wouldn't understand. Because no one has ever played BF2 before.

The 3 yr old gaming rig is a no go for me as well, unless you bought a Q6600 and GTX 8800.