MW2 review embargo, anyone know when it's lifted?

[revol68]

A small minority of PC gamers would prefer to have dedicated servers? Are you on something?

The vast majority of PC gamers I know and have encountered on the internet are massively opposed to losing dedicated server support. Infact it is the people that were most enthusiastic about MW that are the most annoyed, the people who made clans, who pay for their own server hire etc. This isn't some tiny irrelevant minority, they are the people who formed the backbone of the COD online communities.

IW are claiming that they are acting on the feedback they got from the PC community yet oddly there is no one in the PC community in agreement with them, at best there are people who know little of the issues either way and I'm sure if they had the matter explained to them wouldn't be choosing to have p2p match making over dedicated servers.

I am acting with my wallet and I am criticising and my criticisms are shared by the vast majority of PC gamers, you are the odd exception and this is because you have admitted that you care little for the multiplayer, infact you hate it.

As for piracy, well I don't have a moral opposition to it, sometimes I torrent games, sometimes I buy them, depends how good they are and what I'm missing out on by not getting the legit copy. I'm not on this thread to debate the ethics of piracy, if you want to do that start a new one.

Regarding MW2, sure the single player looks decent enough, worth a pop, but not worth over £30 quid, so i won't be paying for it. If they hadn't removed dedicated servers I'd have been down at the midnight opening to hand over my cash, now I won't and there are plenty like me.

All I'm saying is that Infinity Ward have screwed over PC gamers with this and to make matters worse are straight out lying to them now or at best dodging the issues, a situation neither good for PC gamers or good for their PC sales or the companies name in general.

And of course these forums are about criticism of products and games, it's a review site for christs sake, it's primary purpose is to say what is good and what is bad.

Your inane argument seems to boil down to "don't like it don't buy, so just STFU", mixed with some brain dead comments about Spin and the game that you know doubt thing make you sound oh so clever and cynical but in actual fact sum up the intellectual bankruptcy of the day.

[revol68]

IMO saying dedicated servers are far superior is like haggling over 1FPS (frame per second difference) on the plus side of 60/70FPS. It isn't the dark ages of 56k anymore, ya know - not only that i can see it mattering much anyway when its going to be 9v9 at most.

Raises flame shield and wait to be told how i wouldn't understand. Because no one has ever played BF2 before.

The 3 yr old gaming rig is a no go for me as well, unless you bought a Q6600 and GTX 8800.

Well considering the IW muppets were boasting of pings of 100 in no doubt better than real world setting I would suggest that there is quite a difference. On a dedicated server I am used to pings no more than 70 anything over 100 I won't touch.

People seem to forget that p2p means hosting on a home connection and in most parts of the world these are massively asymmetrical, so whilst you may have a 10mb download speed, your upload will be 512k, now imagine that shared by 18 people? There is also the small matter of host migration, so the game pauses for about 10 seconds until a new host is found, not to mention the maximum amount of players is 9v9, whereby PC gamers are used to anything up to 64.

Still think it's the same difference as 1fps on the plus side of 60?

[Terbinator]

From my experience P2P on LIVE doesn't work that bad, ground war regularly works flawless when I've played. The lesson on networking wasn't necessary but I'll admit the 100ms ping sounds bad and seems like an engine flaw as opposed to the average internet connection - again from my experience of playing P2P, the only game that bad was GoW1/2 where something was definitely broke.

The 64 players is a no-no, Ive played the 50 man games on CoD4 and in all serious don't envisage a clan having a 25 player first string - and haven't they mentioned the 9v9 was chosen to suit the game better.

So yeah, i stand by my views. Would it be better to have Dedicated, of course but the whole situation has been blown out of proportion.

[Rob_B]

You need to relax a little, nobody else is resorting to personal comments and you still appear to be ignoring my comments. I personally believe that you, a MP playing PC gamer who NEEDS dedicated servers is in the minority yes. You mix with others the same as yourself so of course you're all going to have the same requirements, you need to consider the console gamers who, as I've said before I imagine are in the majority, then there are PC gamers who don't play MP as well.

I agree IW have done wrong, go back and read my posts. I'm attempting to point out you aren't IW's only concern and that the game will still be a hit. Again. Try to relax and not take this as personally as you are doing at the moment.
As for my spin comments I'm at a loss to describe it any better. IW aren't exactly going to say it's a crap game are they? Every game release has hype and spin from interested parties, MW is no different and I'm attpting to poit that out to you.


Back on topic: I don't see why they've done this with reviews, normally it's reserved for poor games or they don't want leaks (which has happened already) so why deny gamers eager for news a review?

[Terbinator]

I usually go to IGN for my reviews (no i don't rush to the big red numbers at the end) and theirs are usually uploaded the day before so i can't see us getting them till this weekend or Monday.

[revol68]

You need to relax a little, nobody else is resorting to personal comments and you still appear to be ignoring my comments. I personally believe that you, a MP playing PC gamer who NEEDS dedicated servers is in the minority yes. You mix with others the same as yourself so of course you're all going to have the same requirements, you need to consider the console gamers who, as I've said before I imagine are in the majority, then there are PC gamers who don't play MP as well.

I agree IW have done wrong, go back and read my posts. I'm attempting to point out you aren't IW's only concern and that the game will still be a hit. Again. Try to relax and not take this as personally as you are doing at the moment.
As for my spin comments I'm at a loss to describe it any better. IW aren't exactly going to say it's a crap game are they? Every game release has hype and spin from interested parties, MW is no different and I'm attpting to poit that out to you.


Back on topic: I don't see why they've done this with reviews, normally it's reserved for poor games or they don't want leaks (which has happened already) so why deny gamers eager for news a review?

Please stop with the patronising "stop taking it personally" crap, I'm not taking it personally in the slightest.

You keep asserting that I am in the minority, yet I'm not close to a hardcore online gamer, I've never been in a clan and don't do LAN events, I'm probably as casual a PC gamer as you'll find. My opinion on these matters isn't limited to simply what directly effects me but also what effects a lot of other PC gamers because I have this magical ability to see why they would be annoyed at 'losing' dedicated servers, at losing the ability to mod, at losing the ability to have their own clan or community servers and leagues and being forced into using inferior p2p match making.

You seem to be suggesting that despite the fact the vast majority of PC gamers with a view on the matter are opposed to losing dedicated servers and that this has caused the largest fuss in the PC gaming world in my memory, that it's really nothing more than a small minority annoyed? You provide as little evidence of this 'silent majority' as the Daily Mail does when it claims to be the real voice of Britain and that every person who doesn't agree with their reactionary crap is part of a minority of vocal troublemakers.

Furthermore it would make little difference if there was a majority willing to accept inferior technology and buy into IW's spin and bull****, it wouldn't change the fact that IW are shafting PC gamers, all it would mean is that there are a lot of people out there that are too thick to understand their own interests. Fortunately the outcry from PC gamers has shown that they aren't mugs but infact probably the most clued up of any gaming demographic.

Given that you accept that dedicated servers are superior and that IWnet doesn't give gamers more control and choice over how they play the game but much much less, I fail to see what your point is beyond a baseless claim that those complaining represent a small minority and as I've explained even if this were the case what difference does it make to the actually truth value of their criticisms?

[Rob_B]

This isn't getting anywhere is it...I'm not going over my previous posts again or picking fault with you any more. Enjoy your pirated game.

[GheeTsar]

I've decided I'm going to give IW the benefit of the doubt this once. I know dedi servers and more than 9v9 would be much better, but as I don't game in a clan I'm going to give it a punt, unless of course the reviews are bad. I have a feeling I might be lonely online though if everyone is true to their word and doesn't buy it.

[Rob_B]

9v9 does seem awfully low, is this a limit of the technology or they just don't want to clog up people's home connections?

As for reviews there are a few one youtube (at least until they get removed) which if I didn't read it in the title I'd have thought was CoD4. Official reviews will no doubt be glowing though

[revol68]

9v9 does seem awfully low, is this a limit of the technology or they just don't want to clog up people's home connections?

The limit of the technology is peoples home connections, that's the whole point of p2p match making.

[Grey M@a]

The editor of PC Gamer has already did a blog on why he supports the petition to provide dedicated server support.

I imagine this months PC gaming magazines will be a fun and angry read.

Is this linked from the PC Zone site or do you have a link to his blog please

[revol68]

This isn't getting anywhere is it...I'm not going over my previous posts again or picking fault with you any more. Enjoy your pirated game.

I'll enjoy more the fact Infinity Ward won't get a penny from me.

p.s. I have bought every Call of Duty game there has been on the PC, that is until this one.

[Rob_B]

But what about those on 10/20meg connections, if 9v9 is set for the 'average' joe at say 2meg then i'd imagine the tech has the ability to go far beyong 18 people games, maybe that will come from the 'community feedback' ?

I'll enjoy more the fact Infinity Ward won't get a penny from me.

p.s. I have bought every Call of Duty game there has been on the PC, that is until this one.

What if you pirate it & find it lasts 20hrs & is the best SP game you've ever played? Or you play P2P and find it isn't 'that' bad? Does that affect your decision to not pay for it?

[revol68]

Is this linked from the PC Zone site or do you have a link to his blog please

Here it is.

Though no doubt some idiots think the editor of the UK's best selling gaming PC magazine is less representative of PC gamers than some amazingly silent majority who think p2p match making is grand.

[Grey M@a]

Thanks for the link.

[revol68]

But what about those on 10/20meg connections, if 9v9 is set for the 'average' joe at say 2meg then i'd imagine the tech has the ability to go far beyong 18 people games, maybe that will come from the 'community feedback' ?



What if you pirate it & find it lasts 20hrs & is the best SP game you've ever played? Or you play P2P and find it isn't 'that' bad? Does that affect your decision to not pay for it?

I won't be buying it full stop now after seeing Infinity Ward act like dishonest muppets who must take PC gamers as retarded as the 9 year olds who screech into their mikes over xbox live.

You really don't seem to understand anything about the technical issues here, for a start download speed is irrelevant, it's the upload speed of the host that matters and considering they are massively asymmetrical in most countries the vast majority of people won't be close to having 1meg let alone 10/20meg.

There is also the small matter that even with a good connection, home connections are generally shared with PC's etc and so lag will kick in if someones brother is on the computer downloading music or watching Iplayer, not to mention the host having to quit because his mums walked in and he's meant to be doing his homework.