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About LinkBacksyes, that's the positionOriginally Posted by G4Z
say what you want about christianity, they don't actively attempt to kill you or cause you to kill yourself if you express a difference of opinion
yes, that's the position
say what you want about christianity, they don't actively attempt to kill you or cause you to kill yourself if you express a difference of opinion
If you take the views of everyone in the world you'd find that the vast majority agree that everyone else's views are wrong.
(Except agnostics)
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Well, not any more... and not in this part of the world they don't...
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I don't think you can judge a religion on what a power crazed leader made it justify.
The Crusades would have happened anyway, using Christianity (and any one who has read the new testament will agree, twisting it to advocate murder is a feat in itself) to justify it was not the fault of the religion.
Same with Islam. It's a very peaceful religion, selfish leaders use it to advocate mass murder. Go figure.
At least Hitler didn't blame anyone.
And he killed more than anyone.
barbaric implementations of shariah are rather different to, say, Operation Freakout - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
one's bad, sure, but the other is just plain malicious
Must. Not.... Argue... Ah, I give up.
...Except the Jews, black people, homosexuals, communists, the disabled, people who didn't agree with him and people who he just didn't like the look of.
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Exactly.
It's lucky Hitler wasn't a massive Christian or Muslim, else the religion would bear the brunt of the blame for WW2.
Yes, Anonymous doesn't give a toss what you believe - what they are against is Scientology's lack of information freedom and how such censorship is being use to cover certain alleged criminal acts.
Err, guys, Hitler was a Catholic by birth, and his own version of Christianity was a major driving factor for the Nazi party.
It is very difficult and unusual for the events of the sort that occurred to ever happen separated from an indoctrinating belief, which may or may not be religious in nature.
For more details on the while affair, see the well referenced wiki article.
The thing to take away from all of this is that the world has managed to see that the acts undertaken were not done by a religion, but by the perversion of religious beliefs. We could do well to learn from such a viewpoint.
Amen to that
Granted its an important distinction between someone of a religous belief been 'evil' and the religion encoraging it.
But what i find intresting from the whole nazi debacle is that ordinary people went along with it.
The stanford experiments, i think largely due to the source of their funding didn't really look at the place of religous authority, only authority has on ordinary people, helping them do terrible things whilst not fealing guilty.
I wouldn't for a second absolve anything that discorages the idea of indevidual thought in the way most religions do (ie teachings from a text) for atrocities, its the very nature of a religion (as a apposed to a rational) that allows for such actions to be absolved without having to explain themselfs
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It is more complex than that, however.Granted its an important distinction between someone of a religous belief been 'evil' and the religion encoraging it.
But what i find intresting from the whole nazi debacle is that ordinary people went along with it.
The stanford experiments, i think largely due to the source of their funding didn't really look at the place of religous authority, only authority has on ordinary people, helping them do terrible things whilst not fealing guilty.
I wouldn't for a second absolve anything that discorages the idea of indevidual thought in the way most religions do (ie teachings from a text) for atrocities, its the very nature of a religion (as a apposed to a rational) that allows for such actions to be absolved without having to explain themselfs
If you were to look at many of the teachings, they often actually encourage free thought, and say little which directly on their own causes atrocities (in fact, they often explicitly say otherwise)
The truth is, however, that these teachings (or rather, the folk beliefs they cause) provide a small nick in any shell of reason through which people in positions of authority can gain greater control and power.
"A half truth is always more dangerous than a lie"
Not disputing that its always going to be down to interpretation, but the very concept of a relgion (ie a beleif thats not based on tangible logic) requires a certain amount of trust. It's the ethos behind a science book, you'd never find a 'curse' like you do in the front of the King James authorised bible if you have the ordasity to want to change it. As soon as you ask people to not question something, you've started down a dangerous path.
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Nobody has asked you, or any one not to question something.
Your logic is based on the fact that as God can't be proven he/it doesn't exist, so people are following blindly.
My logic dictates that proving God exists destroys religion and "free choice" completely, and as God (in whatever form of higher being you want to believe in) created everything around us, including our own logic he/it can't be found if he/it doesn't want to be.
We don't understand a lot about the world, we don't understand a lot about the universe, hell, we can't even get to the bottom of the sea properly, and yet people are expecting us to discover proof of God's existance.
That's ridiculous.
We can prove why its very likely that the sea has a bottom.
We can't begin to proove that god's existance would make sense. The idea of a god dosen't awnser any questions to things that are puzzels simplified as "Why is the Sky Blue?" because God Made it Blue, who made god........
No, the two are very seperate, the notion of god requires FAITH.This is the faith you've got. You say that a higher being created something. Who created that higher being, and the higher being who created him. Why do you have "free choice", the notion is absurd as it has no rational basis for been so, and is directly eqivible to the FSM.My logic dictates that proving God exists destroys religion and "free choice" completely, and as God (in whatever form of higher being you want to believe in) created everything around us, including our own logic he/it can't be found if he/it doesn't want to be.
As soon as people start taking anything that has no rational basis seriously, bad things can happen was the point of my post, i can't see how your detracting my point that people have chosen to follow blindly.... no matter how twisted the logic behind it is (ie i've chosen to folow blindly, from free choice, so i'm not following blindly ...qed).
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THIS IS NOT A THREAD ABOUT A RELIGION, RELIGIOUS BELIEFS, OR THE VALIDITY THEREOF
THIS IS A THREAD ABOUT A CORPORATION WHICH PRETENDS TO BE A RELIGION, AND SILENCES CRITICS THROUGH INTIMIDATION, VIOLENCE, FEAR, AND A MILLION LAWYERS
seriously guys, must *every* thread with a vague tangential relationship to religion descend into the same boring arguments rolled out time and time and time time and time and time time and time and time time and time and time time and time and time time and time and time time and time and time again?
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