Global Warming - something or nothing?

[j1979]

You're missing what I'm saying here, even though I've already said that I'm not trying to say this incident is entirely down to poor planning.
You say the water is flowing to the Don - Okay, but what do you think is going to happen when a water from an existing flood reaches a river that has already flooded?

The entire region was under a lot of pressure from water. This has a knock on effect on everything from natural drainage (like rivers) to man made drainage systems.


But as I said in the previous post - do you not agree that the majority of flooding in the UK, even now, is down to poor planning and building on floodplains?
"Evidence" such as "This is the worst flood I've ever seen" doesn't mean anything. Even when we use past records, they only go back a few hundred years. With something as complex as Earth and being about 4.5Billion years old, it makes drawing a conclusion like this very hard.

I do agree that a lot of new estates have been built on suite that were a potential risk. sure and many people have paid the price for that poor planning.

but...

I remember the week that it flooded (think it was 25th june) although i put july in prev post. Anyhow back to my point. I remember it raining for at least a week with very few hours in that week were it was not raining, then not a single break of rain for 24 hours. we are talking medium to heavy rain here, then came the down pour, i was walking through town to catch the tram home, when it got very very heavy, so i stopped in a door way.

There was a woman next to me and she invited my in for some "market reasearch" now i know this is starting to sound like a soft core porno, but to my shock she did not ask me to strip off my sodden clothes but to test Gravy, and yorkshire puds. So im on my third gravy sample when the phone rings and its someone from head office explaining that all trams and most buses are canceled. we put on the radio to find out that meadowhall is underwater, as is parts of attercliffe, brightside, hillsborough, shalesmore, millhouses, the tram lines, the railway lines i could go on...and bore you with what i witnessed on my long walk home. but ill just say this it was very wet.


but my point is this, it was like a mini monsoon, and it stopped very suddenly that evening. i also went for a walk that night in the city and it was very strange, it was a complete ghost town, no pubs / restaurants open. no cars, buses, trams. and the streets were littered with 1000s of broken unbrellas. the funny thing was it was bone dry everywhere, with just a few puddles here and there.

[j1979]

All this gassing on about it and discussion all over the internet, whilst interesting (some), has done very little to help stop it, infact it has probably done more harm.

But it appears to be in our nature to rabbit on about sh*te rather than actually do anything constructive.

Que Sera Sera.... to late to stop it realistically, it might even be a bit of excitement.

[Zhaoman]

Weren't they going to launch that 25km diameter satellite built by robots and materials from the Moon to provide 15TW to feed the Earth? Or was that just a fairytale...

[TheAnimus]

if you belive carbon emmisons are going to un-balance the earth, simple solution.

Kill people.

We, as a species are kinda over populated, so unleash the influenza upon mankind that we're overdue. Or reduce the number of people in the 3rd world (the 3rd world having less regulation been easyer to polute in).

simple solution to the problem. But will it be done, or will we 'chance it' and assume that it might not be man who is soley responsible for climate change. I know what i wont be geonciding!

[CaseyV9]

I'm just wondering about this poll.

Those of you who do not believe all the pollution is responsible for global warming.
Do you think that looking for cleaner energy sources, cheaper fuel and ways to reduce pollution not a good thing?

Maybe some of you believe that global warming is not a problem but still think that going green could be a good thing?

[NovaSphere]

if you belive carbon emmisons are going to un-balance the earth, simple solution.

Kill people.

We, as a species are kinda over populated, so unleash the influenza upon mankind that we're overdue. Or reduce the number of people in the 3rd world (the 3rd world having less regulation been easyer to polute in).

simple solution to the problem. But will it be done, or will we 'chance it' and assume that it might not be man who is soley responsible for climate change. I know what i wont be geonciding!

I don't think you really get what is the main cause of all the CO2.
The major problem is the fossil fuels, a second, maybe less major but still a bit big, is the overpopulation of cows. (yes cows)

The release of CO2 in the air is overall not a big problem, unless it's done in huge quantities that are not supposed to be there!
Fossil fuels have been in the ground for thousands if not millions of years, they carry those gasses etc with them from all that time ago, now we in our time, are using those fuels for everything, releasing the original CO2 and whatever gas comes with it into the earth's atmosphere.

Also, don't forget we can't live without CO2, trees and plants use CO2 to make oxigan, without that we can't live.
But were making it double worse by releasing millions of years old CO2 gasses into the atmosphere, aswell as cutting down vast lands of (rain)forest.

[revol68]

proof if proof was needed that tech nerds really are anti social misanthropic gits.

[mmh]

proof if proof was needed that tech nerds really are anti social misanthropic gits.

Thats a vast generalisation, sir.

infact so broad that the poll indicators show neither anyone doesnt like the human race, and regardless if you interpret the second option to be that way, there are still 18/39 (at time of posting) that beleive we are destroying the planet.

Not once have i said that i dont care what happens to the human race, but i voted the second option as explained previously thatw e are coming out of an ice age, and it is going to get warmer and we need to gear up towards it.

so calling everyone "anti social misanthropic gits" is hardly accurate is it?

[TooNice]

I'm just wondering about this poll.

Those of you who do not believe all the pollution is responsible for global warming.
Do you think that looking for cleaner energy sources, cheaper fuel and ways to reduce pollution not a good thing?

Maybe some of you believe that global warming is not a problem but still think that going green could be a good thing?

That's my thought exactly. I didn't vote because I have no opinion on global warming (whether it is a real, man induced problem or scaremongering). However, between 'we must act now' and 'the earth is fine', I would go with 'we must act now'.

I've lived in some in a very unpolluted place (mountainous region in Switzerland), and visited some highly polluted place (Shanghai - I keep hearing Beijing can be worse, but it wasn't when I went there). I am sure there are even cleaner/more polluted places in the world, but the difference between the two is already night and day. I am not appealed by a smog infested city (I am sure no one does). I know some people who came to Europe in part because the air in their home country would trigger some respiratory problems.

Yes there are compromises to be made, all else being equal a large city will produce more waste than a smaller one the foreseeable future, and an increasing world population will also create more waste/CO2 release in the foreseeable future. But to say that we needn't do anything because it is the 'natural order', is a tad irresponsible. Every little help, we may one day find a solution for what seem to be inevitable now, but we have to last until then.

[badass]

I'm just wondering about this poll.

Those of you who do not believe all the pollution is responsible for global warming.
Do you think that looking for cleaner energy sources, cheaper fuel and ways to reduce pollution not a good thing?

Maybe some of you believe that global warming is not a problem but still think that going green could be a good thing?

Those are my thoughts. Pollution !=Global warming
Pollution is a very real problem with clear uncontestable negative effects that have been properly proven. I do beleive we need to control our energy generation and usage, but that has nothing to do with global warming.
People should never have been looking at carbon footprints, but should have been looking at energy footprints. Reduce the energy footprint and most other nasty footprints go down, apart from a lot of heavy metal related polution.
This is one reason why I think the RoHS was a good idea and completely necessary.
I also think we need to be a lot more aggressive on recycling, but not the kind we do now.

More thinking about the kind of recycling that was commonplace 50 years ago. Glass bottles used to be washed and reused by companies for instance and people got a few bob for bringing each bottle back. Far more efficient than smashing them up, melting them and re moulding them then washing them anyway.

[Skii]

so calling everyone "anti social misanthropic gits" is hardly accurate is it?

nah but it makes him feel better

[NovaSphere]

Talking about Global warming;

Yesterday there was a storm where I live (not so big in size of 'storm', more huge in size of 'rain')
I live in the Netherlands, Rotterdam to be more specific, we've never had such kind of rainfall in 20 minutes of time, I came downstairs and I wasn't able to see outside for over 5 meters because of all the rain, shortly I was standing in a bunch of water, the drains couldn't handle all the water (in 20 minutes time lol) and all the water came up through the kitchen sink.

Took me 3 and a half hours before the water stopped to rise and I could start cleaning up. Leaving my entire living room and kitchen in water.

Climate change...

[99Flake]

Climate change...

Bad drains

I don't think anyone is disagreeing that the climate is changing, that is very evident. What there are arguments about are the reasons and how serious it is going to be in the long term.

If the earth is going to change naturally we really aren't going to be able to stop it, ok we might be making it speed up but we can't really stop the inevitable.

[j1979]

Bad drains

I don't think anyone is disagreeing that the climate is changing, that is very evident. What there are arguments about are the reasons and how serious it is going to be in the long term.

If the earth is going to change naturally we really aren't going to be able to stop it, ok we might be making it speed up but we can't really stop the inevitable.

the earth (or any macrocosm) and everything in it has a symbiotic relationship, just like an Aquarium (or any microcosm).

so let me explain a very simple example

in an aquarium you have some fish and lets say some aquatic plants. over a period of time a balance is formed between the plants and the fish. The fish supply the plants with nitrogen (from ammonia in their urine) and carbon dioxide. The plants growth is regulated by how much the fish can supply, in return the plants produce oxygen and clean the water from toxins. so if i add a new fish the the aquarium the plants will react by growing a bit faster and in turn supply a bit more oxygen and the new fish is supported and a new balance is reached.

if i remove half the plants and double the amount of fish the remaining plants cant grow fast enough to support the new fish, their is not enough oxygen and the water becomes toxic with too much ammonia/nitrogen very quickly and the fish will die. followed by the plants.

this is called a nitrogen/ammonia spike.

that same happens with the earth, as history has shown; Permian–Triassic extinction was due to volcanic gasses / impact from space or melting of methane ice. Impact , volcanic gasses, or methane hydrate from the bottom of the sea, it doesn't matter what you think caused it, what wiped out 90% of life on the planet was a SPIKE. ( A sharp rise followed by a sharp decline in a graph or in the tracing of a scientific instrument.)

and seen as what is happening now is likely to cause a SPIKE in global temps we are in for a rough ride.

[revol68]

Bad drains

I don't think anyone is disagreeing that the climate is changing, that is very evident. What there are arguments about are the reasons and how serious it is going to be in the long term.

If the earth is going to change naturally we really aren't going to be able to stop it, ok we might be making it speed up but we can't really stop the inevitable.

there is no debate about what is responsible for 80% of the global climate rise, the inevitability argument is retarded, greenhouse gases are rapidly raising the tempature, at a rate that makes previous fluxs due to solar activity negiable, as anyone who's had even the most shallow look over the data will tell you. The very study that climate change denialists like to cite in reference to solar activity explicitly states that since the 70's solar activity and global climate have diverged wildly and the reason is the massive effectof greenhouse gases.

back to the topic of inevitability, this is nonsense, there is no magic entity that changes global temperatures on a whim, temperature changes are because of tengiable things and the most influenticial is the the make up of the biosphere, and greenhouse gases changes are part of that.

[Stewart]

Well on the global warming front, I tell you this, if next summer is as hot as this one, I don't think we will survive.

We must have had at least 3 mildly sunny days this year, and it stopped raining twice. 18, 19, sometimes even 20 degrees in the middle of July... the melting point of lead is 24...