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    Why I don't trust the police also
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    I came home after winning a pool match and I had had 4 drinks over 3 hours. I came home and me and my bro got into a argument about bills. I ended up with a glass in my head and my bro cut himself by being so wreck-less. I locked myself in the kitchen and contacted 2 family members what happened and I had been hurt. The argument ended, but there was a knock at the door and the Police had arrived. I identified myself, and I decided to wait outside in the Street.

    Unknown to me at the time, but my bro had called 999 making out I was the aggressor!! He had also cut his hand from the cup he hit me with.

    As fate would have it, I had very difficult Police officers who had made up their mind I MUST be the one in the wrong. Anyway, I remained calm and cooperative and gave my name, address and even DOB. The female Police officer insisted I gave my mobile number but I said I didn’t want to. She said I had to but I politely said I didn’t want to. She then threatened me the she would get it from me in the end at the Police station. I decline and she made out that I was being hostile and aggressive!

    I was very concerned by the behavior of at least 2 officers that I called another relative to hint my concerns, and to instruct my solicitor to call me. Another male Police officer would not give me his name and wouldn’t keep still for me to take his ID number. He said he knew I was trying to note his ID number.

    I later learnt that a male Police officer was told by a relative who I had called to the house, to have me checked at the hospital as I had a head injury, and the Policeman said he would get me checked out.

    Several minutes later, the female Police officer later said she was arresting me under section 21. When I asked her to clarify what S21 was she said assault [which is incorrect to my understanding of the law]. I kept quiet and offered out my hands because I could hear whispering of whether to handcuff me or not. The female officer was angry decline the standard handcuffs that her male officer colleague offered. She requested the rigid block handcuffs.

    She then frog marched me back and fourth in front of the neighbors, and eventually decided to get me in a Police car at the end of the road.

    By this point I was feeling really unwell, and I did have strange symptoms, and communicated that I felt a little upset, and claustrophobic, and actually asked that the handcuffs be removed. The female Police enjoyed the moment and repeatedly pointed her finger in my face through the wind down rear car door window, and told me to "shut up. just shut up" with a loud voice. It was clear there was blood dripping from my head, and a large amount of my jeans from my head.

    At the police station the fun began. There were 2 male officers and that female officer. I was accused by the officer at the front desk on being in a fight only last week [not true and never been arrested before]. I had one officer barking instructions at me as he wanted to search me, one male officer bombarding me with questions about myself. The female officer was trying to confuse me with the name of my solicitor and kept saying the name of my solicitor was someone other than what it was. When I described what I had drank, female officer turned to her male colleague and said how much she enjoyed a drink I drank.

    Again, the Police got angered because I made the search easier by standing like Jesus on the cross. I even took my belt off which confused the male officer who then said he didn't want the belt off till the end because my jeans might fall down. I assured him my jeans wouldn't.

    The female officer now decided to ask where a fresh blob of blood that dropped on my hand came from, I said my head! I attempted to scroll through my phone to give the telephone number of my solicitor but the female officer told me to turn the phone off which I did.

    I was eventually seen by a doctor who I questioned why he was not wearing gloves when dealing with my open head injury, and he got concerned that I may have an infection, and asked me.

    Things got better when the female black custody officer took over. I was led to a cell and I said I wanted to make a complaint about my treatment. My symptoms now got worse - it was like being drunk, and on a rocking boat. I had difficulty speaking and balance.

    Sometime later, I raised my concerns to an Inspector who said to raise it with my solicitor later. I was led back to my cell and tried to rest but something was wrong with me.

    I applied first aid in the cell, but when my symptoms got really bad I rang the bell. There was a significant delay before a male office attending me. I told him my symptoms and all he could suggest was a walk, and I declined.

    I was eventually, photograph etc, and the male officer was probing into everything about me including my religion!

    During my interview, my solicitor pointed out I still had glass in my head, and the inspector acknowledged it. It came clear in my head that the arrest time was 30mins incorrect, and that the police assumed I was the older brother based on build! After the interview, I mentioned I wanted to raise a complaint but my solicitor advised against it for now.

    I was given my belongings back in a bag where it was no longer sealed but ripped open. Maybe the female officer wanted my telephone that bad!

    After leaving police custody, I have 6 medical consultations, and medicine. I actually had sustained a concussion and bruising to a part on the inner ear/brain. It took 6 weeks before I was healed so u could imagine my ordeal when dealing with the Police where I was still cooperate and acted with dignity.

    In my medical training, all open/glass head injuries should be checked at the hospital.

    Several days later I received a leaflet for support for victims of domestic violence!!!

    All I can say is, I believe if I was not as intelligent and coherent in spite of a serious head trauma, that some of the police would have beaten me . The only thing the police officers at the police didn’t do was run rings round me and excite me further. I told my friend that I felt like that scene in "the passion of the Christ" where Jesus is mocked and beaten the more he cooperated.

    I am an intelligent ethic male but fair skinned. All officers were white except the African custody officer who spoke to me with respect. I don't walk around thinking I am a color, but this experience made me think would I have been treated this way if I was white?

    I have now been told to raise a complaint by my friends who work for other Police forces including Police specialists who work in Professional standards.

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    I dignified this thread with an actual post. I am sorry!
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    Sorry, this is the welcome lounge... the rant room is down the hallway

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    Interesting story, and an even more interesting question.

    I wonder what everyones views on racial profiling are.
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    Re: Is this acceptable - Police treatment?

    Quote Originally Posted by r_j_k_p View Post
    I wonder what everyones views on racial profiling are.
    If used as part of a logical profiling process, and can be justified by evidence suggesting that race is a contributing risk factor, I am 100% in favour. However, strong controls need to be in place to ensure that the profiling remains strictly evidence based. Race should be treated exactly the same as any other risk factor; age, sex, religion, financial habits, travel history; all aspects need to be included to build up as good a profile as possible.

    HOWEVER - this is valid for something like terrorism; NOT for petty domestic violence. The case the OP describes should be based solely on the evidence. As he presents a single case, with no comparison available from an identical case but where the involved party was white, it is an impossibility to say from the story presented whether race was a factor, and I think it should be left out as an irrelevance. Playing the "is it coz I is black" card, when there's really nothing at all to suggest that that was relevant, is rather pathetic and IMO cheapens the cause of those truly suffering from race based prejudice.

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    Re: Is this acceptable - Police treatment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Good Good View Post
    Why I don't trust the police also
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    Now let me see. You and your bro have a frenzied domestic and your bro summoned the police. You say 2 officers were "difficult" and had it in for you. You decide not to be fully cooperative with the police, who have been involved by your family member. In a turn of events, you are getting your legal adviser to help you with the "unruly" police who must have been waiting all night to come and get you because it's obvious they hate you.

    Meanwhile there's blood everywhere. You were arrested on an assault charge. They got you a Doctor for a concussion caused by your brother. You state that the police "would have" beaten you but they didn't. Your brother beat you. You suggest there may be racial overtones to the events. So my question to you is this: Does your brother not like ethnic people? He was the one who worked you over.

    Look, it doesn't matter what colour you are. The police have to deal with this kind of thing with black, white, pink and purple people. It isn't an easy job dealing with people who are distressed or angry or violent or crazed or drugged or drunk or bleeding or who haven't paid their bills or whatever. This is your first brush with the law and you write a bleating screed about how you have been treated.

    Give over. You're an intelligent person, don't start paying huge legal fees for something that would be kicked out of court. And welcome to Hexus .

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    Re: Is this acceptable - Police treatment?

    The police arresting someone who is drunk and who has obviously been in a fight. Shocking, what is this tony blair state coming too.

    God damnit, i'm agreeing with santa.

    However, I will say that its un-acceptable they didn't at least do something to stop the bleeding of the wound. There are many cases where people who've suffered blunt heat trauma have become incredibly disorientated, violent, often un-able to make deciessions properly or feel pain. An A&E doctor mate of mine was telling me how they gave one guy enough sedatives to put him in a coma, they just couldn't understand how he was still fighting back (now drugged, disorientated and in pain...... a situation that will only end well with good people taking care of them).

    Any lack of respect the police might have shown you may possibly be due to the fact they would think "why are we having to be called out to two brothers...." rather than race. But then hey, I'm not racist, I just have a more fair way of allocating my big old bag of prejudice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheAnimus View Post
    God damnit, i'm agreeing with santa.

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    Re: Is this acceptable - Police treatment?

    The question was .... is the police treatment acceptable?

    My first comment is that we only have one account, and that even assuming that that account is as open, fair and accurate as possible, it's still only one account from one perspective. We don't know what the police witnessed first hand, what they were told by the other brother or what any other witnesses may have said. That all makes it really hard to judge whether an arrest was reasonable, but from the account, it certainly looks it.

    The next issue is some of the wording in that account, like being "frog-marched", and that the police "would have" applied a beating. That is looking distinctly less than a real attempt at a balanced description on events.

    Next ... are all head wounds automatically dealt with by a trip to hospital? No. Nor should they be. But a head injury, even without a wound, is potentially very serious and because it may not appear to be, the police and especially a custody officer have fairly clear criteria on which to base an assessment. These would include any obvious visible wounds and blood, but would also include the suspect's apparent coherence, and ability to understand and answer questions.

    I would expect that with a physical wound of any sort, let alone a head wound, that a referral to a suitable medical professional would be forthcoming. What that is might range from a duty doctor being called to an ambulance being called as an emergency, depending on quite what the police observe, both in the injury itself and the actions and reactions of the suspect. For what appears to be a minor injury and where the suspect is reasonably controlled and coherent, probably the former. If coherence deteriorated, then perhaps it indicates a more serious condition, like a concussion or worse, and I'd expect either the call for the doctor to be prioritised or, if need be, an ambulance called. But, the police have to assess each situation as it appears, and monitor it if it changes.

    What does strike me as unreasonable is the officer that allegedly went to trouble to avoid being identified. Normally, I'd expect an officer to identify himself by name, but there are grounds for them to decline to do that, and them identification by number and station should be provided.

    As for allegations of racism, or of suspected intent to beat, I'm just not seeing anything to support that. And, if get involved in a fight and the police are often faced with two conflicting accounts, and either have to decide who, initially at least, to believe, or will arrest both parties. Following that, it sounds like the book was pretty much followed. Medical attention was obtained, and how prompt it was would depend on their assessment of severity of need, and on the doctor's availability and how long it took him to get there. A solicitor was involved so you're covered there, and an inspector apparently handled a complaint.

    I'm having trouble seeing the problem.

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