I think the BEST thing about the UK is the sheer scale of our interbreeding.
We've got (and had in the past,) so many different races of people here, that we're the most mixed up and stoic bunch on the planet.
I won't vote BNP... not cos they're racist, cos I don't think they all are.. but because I like most foreigners.
Except maybe the french......
Originally Posted by Advice Trinity by Knoxville
I don't think you can compare people moving abroad to people moving to the UK, it's a totally different ballgame.
There are two types of people who move here.
1) To try and live off the state
2) To try and make a living through hard work
And Brits moving away
1) To buy somewhere in the sun, and relax in a nice place! (with their own money)
2) To move away and work in that specific country.
Back a few years ago, it was possible for anyone to move here and take advantage of the country, make a lot of money and become extremely rich in a short space of time if you had the brains to do so. House prices were pretty cheap, and the rich could buy the biggest houses without the banks help in London for a days work. It's not the same anymore, the market is more saturated, and people don't wave their cash around like they used too.
You do get a fair few self made millionaires every year, but it's not in the same league as before imo.
This is why I quoted the figures. There are millions of foreign nationals in the UK ,people with UK citizenship(who were born outside the UK) and their descendants who are law abiding hard working citizens so why is is everyone being tarred with the same brush because a few cause problems? There are UK nationals who live and work abroad who also cause problems in those countries so is it fair to tar all UK people in those countries with the same brush too??
The funny thing is that with millions of Brits working abroad imagine if those countries chucked them out, like what a certain lot are suggesting for people living legally in this country??
People should judged by who they are as an individual and not what they are.
Last edited by CAT-THE-FIFTH; 24-04-2010 at 05:37 PM.
Interestingly, while doing the online survey at 'vote for policies' http://voteforpolicies.org.uk/ I found that I agree with the BNP's policies on the NHS - namely reducing the number of managers to increase funding for nurses, and bringing cleaning back in-house. Doesn't mean I'll vote for them though, I'm not into discrimination
he has just been on newsnight (a bit early)
i agreed with most if not all of what he said
although, this was his "public" face
Thing is, if you read what was the original "Nazi manifesto", I believe it was called the 25 point programme, you'll see a lot of similarities with that of the BNP.
I don't think I need to say much more than that.
i have not read either, neither would i want to!
I agree with all of that.... nice post
We do see very very few (if any.. ever?) people leaving here to live off someone else's state..
but it does happen in reverse.
Probably secretly, a lot of people agree with a good percentage of what the BNP stand for. I for one will be voting for the Lib Dems as i really can't see labour or the conservatives doing anything for this country after having numerous goes and cocking things up!
Facts and figures please from non-biased sources.
How many UK citizens live off the state and what is the average amount of benefits they claim??
How many non-UK citizens live off the state and what is the average amount of benefits they claim??
How many people who have arrived here in the last 20 years live off the state and what is the average amount of benefits they claim??
Are recent immigrants more likely to claim benefits than ones who arrived thirty or forty years ago?
How long on average do people stay on benefits in each case.
If someone can point me to the relevant facts and figures then it would be nice to know the actual numbers.
A few more questions!
Using the language of some people, UK citizens are "stealing" the jobs of "indigenous" people in other countries. What if those countries want to kick those people out like what some certain folk are suggesting for "non-indigenous" people here? Is it fair for them? I assume in both cases the people are working and are residing in the country legally.
Also do Brits living and/or working abroad in other countries cause issues with the locals?? Yes or no?
Do the Brits who live and/or work abroad in non-English speaking countries "integrate" with the local society or not? Yes or no?
Last edited by CAT-THE-FIFTH; 24-04-2010 at 11:03 PM.
There are lots and lots and lots of different benefits programs in the UK. Which are you interested in? Jobseekers' Allowance? Disability Living Allowance? Income Support? State Pension?
I was thinking more on the total money spent per claimant on average(inclusive of all benefits) and the total number of people claiming any sort of benefit.
Last edited by CAT-THE-FIFTH; 24-04-2010 at 11:51 PM.
^ You raise interesting questions, but you might also realise that a lot of people are voting for their interests. It's not so much about justice ('is it right?'), what other countries do with British expats do not concern them (or so they think).
As far as I know, if you're not a British citizen then you can't claim any benefits: jobseeker's allowance, state pension, not even child benefits.
I come from a chinese family and my parents are working in high skilled jobs. We used to be able to claim child benefits but even that has been cut some years ago. Now my parents and 8 year old brother don't get a single penny in benefits and they have been contributing a lot of tax over many years.
The only people that I can think of who can come here to 'live off the state' are asylum seekers, and they are granted in limited numbers each year. As long as they are controlled, I think asylum seekers are perfectly eligible for state support if they are discriminated in their own country because of an actively discriminating or racist government. I mean, what else can you do if you lived in a country that wanted to harm you other than run away?
So, in terms of foreigners who genuinely 'live off the state' when they shouldn't, are people who 'fake' asylum status by claiming they are in danger when they are not... But remember that getting asylum status means you can't go back to your original country for 12 years, and there are many other drawbacks to getting it so it's a tough decision for someone trying to fake it and I doubt that it's something you can just turn up and do.
Anyway, from my own personal experience, I find that most foreigners who come to the UK are well educated, intelligent and highly skilled people who genuinely give a lot more than they take. You'd have to be close the cream of the crop of your country to be able to come here and compete for jobs especially with so many obstacles such as applying for work permits and a time delay on when you can apply for a job (in Ireland it is now 8 months before non-nationals can apply for a job....). Non-british citizens can't get access to most, if not all, state welfare so they will always be working and contributing tax so really foreigners are contributing far more to the state than they will ever take.
In terms of BNP's immigration policy, they want to 'deport all illegal immigrants'? That's just stating the obvious isn't it? How is BNP going to do a better job deporting people than Labour is doing right now? The only genuinely radical 'new' policies that I've heard (and I admit I don't know the BNP's policies well) is giving grants to British citizens to leave because they don't look British and not allowing Muslims in. Those policies would sound ludicrous even coming from Borat, never mind a real-life fully functioning human.
Would stop people scrounging off the state though. Annoys me how many come over here to essentially take advantage, and for this reason i agree with some points the BNP make.
Blimey, someone has agreed with a post of mine, amazing.
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