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    Lasers at Planes

    As part of my getting a private pilots license, someone advised me to listen to the airwaves and spot the errors they make. I often find with my dyslexia making notes at the speed ATC real off instructions quite hard, so hopefully this would help, been at it 25 minutes so far tonight.

    Listing to a major airport's approach, i'm actually quite horrified by the number of times I've now heard "laser pointer been pointed at us".

    Can't we just smack people who act like children?
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    Re: Lasers at Planes

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_guided_bomb


    Isn't it nice of them to provide their own target?

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    Re: Lasers at Planes

    Quote Originally Posted by Powderhound View Post
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_guided_bomb


    Isn't it nice of them to provide their own target?
    Wait what? How does that work? I don't think painting a 747 as a target is quite what you had in mind.

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    Re: Lasers at Planes

    you mean LGB's arent designed to home in on terrorists doing presentations?
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    Re: Lasers at Planes

    Some people are complete idiots, the same low lifes are probably the same ones that muck about on the emergency marine channels.

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    Re: Lasers at Planes

    I had a laser hit me once in a 172. I reported to ATC, but not a big deal for us at that range. How's the training coming?

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    Re: Lasers at Planes

    I often find with my dyslexia making notes at the speed ATC real off instructions quite hard
    Does this not make you too dangerous to fly? (not taking the 'michael')

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    Re: Lasers at Planes

    I don't think you're meant to take notes while flying, so probably not...

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    Re: Lasers at Planes

    Quote Originally Posted by Blitzen View Post
    Does this not make you too dangerous to fly? (not taking the 'michael')
    Well at the moment I'm not allowed too, so there are bigger dangers to me flying

    In order to get even the most basic and really quite crap NPPL you have to pass a radio telephony exam, so basically I just have to learn the lingo better, its quite hard in a very noisy light aircraft to focus on what the other person is saying and its something I've never praticed before, learning how to do that whilst at the same time learning how to fly is quite a challange so been a good algo person, I'm doing some divide and conquer by trying to get more exposure to this on the ground.

    Even if I don't improve, I'm not so bad I'm a danger, I just piss off the ground staff making them repeat themselves, I know when I've missed part of it.

    (if you want to know more: http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/CAP413.PDF)
    Quote Originally Posted by TeePee View Post
    How's the training coming?
    Not started in ernest yet, plenty of theory (Stick and Rudder is an excellent book for someone who likes the concepts) I've spent about 3 hours with a friend in his 172, but he isn't an instructor and I've not learnt much other than I like this, so I'm going to have some propper lessons in a PA28 soon (I'm 6"4, I don't like 150s) because PA28s seem to be very common around me in north london and plenty of the JAA approved schools in the states use them for the same/less than a 172. So it will be nice to see how I get on with a 28, decide which craft I want to learn on so I can budget, then I'm thinking I should be able to take a month off in March to go to one of the schools in the states. Long beach people seem friendly and reasonably priced.

    But I then want to do a week traveling, probably in the states for cost reasons, to get some experiance in nice weather before coming back to blighty in time for spring. I would also like to get an IMC asap, so getting maybe 20 hours if I can afford it (stares at investment fund) would be epic, I almost think its silly to let people fly with just VFR skills in somewere like Cornwall, the weather there changes at the drop of a hat. I wouldn't feel comfortable without the basic instrumentation knowledge.
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    Re: Lasers at Planes

    Quote Originally Posted by scaryjim View Post
    I don't think you're meant to take notes while flying, so probably not...
    I imagine texting is frowned upon then? Although I'm not sure what the signal would be like

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    Re: Lasers at Planes

    Quote Originally Posted by Blitzen View Post
    Does this not make you too dangerous to fly? (not taking the 'michael')
    AFAIK it wouldn't be an issue, dyscalcula would be though because of the danger of misreading the instrument numbers.

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    Re: Lasers at Planes

    There are differences in radio in particular between the US and UK, but one thing to remember is that ATC works for you. Their only job is to make it easier and safer for you to go fly. So it makes sense that they want you to have all the right information before you go, and reading it back three times is far better than having a runway incursion. They are also well aware that people have to train and that this can be a difficult thing to learn. Think of it as a conversation rather than a desperate need to get the terminology exactly right. (and add 'ahhh' at least three times in every communication. It's a pilot thing. ).

    Once you are qualified and have some practice it's rare to write stuff down, even an instrument clearance or complex taxi instructions, but most things can be read back through more of a routine before writing them down if it is necessary.

    The most important thing, Have Fun!

    If you are coming to the US to learn to fly I'd suggest getting an FAA certificate. It can be used for all the same things as a JAA PPL in the UK, (and will also let you fly at night!) and can be a lot more practical to get. The theory part is one test and then an oral exam which may be easier. The real benefit is that there are hundreds more schools to choose from, while the JAA schools in the US are more limited and tend to be a lot more expensive. Certainly they were known for being some of the poorer quality schools in Florida. You'll need an FAA certificate anyway if you plan to fly around the US. A JAA conversion could be easily completed before you try to get the IMC rating. (this is where the rules on FAA certs get complicated!).

    From Long Beach, head out to Vegas and the Grand Canyon (special flight rules!). They need to be seen from the air!

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    Re: Lasers at Planes

    I was under the impression the places doing JAA in Florida did it as FAA then a conversion? But I will definitely check that!

    The Grand Canyon sounds fun, but would it be suitable for someone who only had like 50 hours under their belt?
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    Re: Lasers at Planes

    There are three places in FL, www.flyoft.com www.flyoba.com and www.naples-air-center.com. Again, I'd recommend an FAA only school. For example, EASA in Daytona rents a 150 for around $100 an hour (their package pricing is confusing), compared to $77 at Air America, an FAA school in the same town.

    If properly trained you should be able to handle the Grand Canyon and LAS Class B just fine. It will take some planning, but it's a great way to build experience.

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    Re: Lasers at Planes

    What about www.flyeft.com ? I trained with them in 2005 and they were pretty good; since then, their very fat receptionist embezzled $100k, but I think they have rebounded! She was a real piece of work, always fierce about getting the money out of you; the fact that it was going into her pocket might explain why

    If you get an FAA PPL, you can then use it to fly a G-Reg aircraft in the UK. However, I am pretty sure this is restricted to day-vfr only, so no night flight; practically this is not a problem, because British airports are truly awful and practically none of them open at night; the ones that do will make you sell a kidney to pay their fees.

    I would advise a JAA PPL for someone in the UK, or at a stretch the NPPL. Doing this by getting an FAA PPL and converting it would certainly work and, as TeePee says, gives the option of some MUCH better flight schools; I can strongly recommend Cirrus Aviation in Sarasota where I did my CPL/IR, or Palm Beach Flight Training at Lantana, Palm Beach.

    The reason I recommend this is that a PPL is a license to fly; and planes are made to go places. Unless you only ever want to do little local trips, or aerobatics and no touring, you'll soon find that the UK is too small; even at the hugely expensive rental rates over here! An FAA PPL on a G-Reg plane would trap you in Britain; with an NPPL (plus a JAA Class 2 medical), you can now fly to France as well, and a full JAA PPL will take you anywhere you want.

    To complicate things; if you get an FAA PPL, and then fly an N-Reg plane in the UK (more usually available as part-owned aircraft, not rental) then you can fly anywhere, and use the full license priveliges. Simple, eh!

    If you find yourself in Holland any time, send me a message and I'll take you for a flight! Equally, if you have any more questions about the licences, training, or theory, then just get in touch. I've been immersed in this stuff for years now, across Africa, Australasia, Europe and the USA, and have built up a decent knowledge of the licensing complexities and other issues!

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    Re: Lasers at Planes

    Quote Originally Posted by Powderhound View Post
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_guided_bomb

    Isn't it nice of them to provide their own target?
    If only it worked that way.
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