Boris is Boss

[TeePee]

Without the ability to negotiate a deal, Boris resigns on October 19th.. No one else will step in. We get Brexit and an Election, leaving a government with a strong majority post-Brexit. Best possible outcome..

[kalniel]

Without the ability to negotiate a deal, Boris resigns on October 19th.. No one else will step in. We get Brexit and an Election, leaving a government with a strong majority post-Brexit. Best possible outcome..

You don't think there are certain people more than willing to step in?

[TeePee]

You don't think there are certain people more than willing to step in?

Corbyn is, of course, desperate to be PM, but he can't win an election, and couldn't form a government. There might be enough traitors to try to block Brexit negotiations, but even they aren't going to back a Corbyn Government.

[spacein_vader]

Amber Rudd has resigned from cabinet and the Conservative party saying she cannot stand by while loyal moderate Conservatives are expelled.

[Xlucine]

It's hilarious watching boris try and squirm out from the responsibility placed on him, especially after he put so much effort into torpedoing the last gov. Almost makes up for the last 3 years!

Corbyn is, of course, desperate to be PM, but he can't win an election, and couldn't form a government. There might be enough traitors to try to block Brexit negotiations, but even they aren't going to back a Corbyn Government.

All it would take is one vote passing in parliament to make Corbyn PM, which will be an easier sell to LDs with no-one else filling the post needed to get the extension they want. Probably with some LD cabinet members too, for the few days they're in post

[Top_gun]

Amber Rudd has resigned from cabinet and the Conservative party saying she cannot stand by while loyal moderate Conservatives are expelled.

Not forgetting that she said Boris Johnson wasn't serious in getting a deal from Europe.

Looks like BJ is doing a Corbyn style destruction of the Tory Party. Who's next?

[Smudger]

There might be enough traitors to try to block Brexit negotiations,

Here we are with the Traitors nomenclature again.

Is someone who tries to stop No Deal a traitor?

We were sold 'the easiest deal in the world', 'sunlit uplands' 'quickest deal in history, because we hold all the cards', 'no-ones talking about giving up our position in the single market' and 'what's wrong with a Norway-type deal?'

We're getting: Yep, everyone who voted to leave wants a no-deal brexit

We were sold 'we will not be lowering food standards in order to make deals outside of the EU'

We're getting 'what's wrong with a bit of chlorinated chicken?'

It's the biggest bait and switch in history, from a bunch of people with dubious backers, and very rich men who will benefit from not having their offshore accounts being examined come 1st Jan 2020.

So who's the traitor? I'd say it's the one who wants to throw his country under the bus so he can get away with avoiding tax.

[Corky34]

...the bus ...

Boris likes buses.

[neonplanet40]

Here we are with the Traitors nomenclature again.

Is someone who tries to stop No Deal a traitor?

We were sold 'the easiest deal in the world', 'sunlit uplands' 'quickest deal in history, because we hold all the cards', 'no-ones talking about giving up our position in the single market' and 'what's wrong with a Norway-type deal?'

We're getting: Yep, everyone who voted to leave wants a no-deal brexit

We were sold 'we will not be lowering food standards in order to make deals outside of the EU'

We're getting 'what's wrong with a bit of chlorinated chicken?'

It's the biggest bait and switch in history, from a bunch of people with dubious backers, and very rich men who will benefit from not having their offshore accounts being examined come 1st Jan 2020.

So who's the traitor? I'd say it's the one who wants to throw his country under the bus so he can get away with avoiding tax.

I picked this up as well. The term 'traitors' being thrown around with ease. It shows just how divisive Brexit is becoming and, as a result, it will leave a completely divided and broken United Kingdom. I guess all us traitors in Scotland pushing for remain should just accept what the Bojo's and Reese moggs of the world want.... Yes sir, please sir... more sir...

[Galant]

Here's what I'm fed up with, in a nutshell -
1. Brexit was promised and voted for.
2. It's possible that Brexit could take many forms.
3. Parliament have been utterly unable to come up with any acceptable variant of Brexit in the time permitted, or in any of the extensions since.
4. Remain-voting MPs, in general, have shown that there is no acceptable form of Brexit for them, they're essentially seeking to overturn it.
5. See point 1.

Either the Brexit referendum is honoured, or it isn't. I simply no longer believe most Remain MP's have in mind any acceptable form of Brexit, despite whatever former promises. They are trying very hard to overturn a promised choice of the people and the hypocrisy and lies and obstinacy are becoming almost unbearable. I simply can no longer trust any of them.

[Zak33]

it's warm in here... someone open a window please.

thanks

[Smudger]

Here's what I'm fed up with, in a nutshell -
1. Brexit was promised and voted for.
2. It's possible that Brexit could take many forms.
3. Parliament have been utterly unable to come up with any acceptable variant of Brexit in the time permitted, or in any of the extensions since.
4. Remain-voting MPs, in general, have shown that there is no acceptable form of Brexit for them, they're essentially seeking to overturn it.
5. See point 1.

Either the Brexit referendum is honoured, or it isn't. I simply no longer believe most Remain MP's have in mind any acceptable form of Brexit, despite whatever former promises. They are trying very hard to overturn a promised choice of the people and the hypocrisy and lies and obstinacy are becoming almost unbearable. I simply can no longer trust any of them.

You should also factor in that ERG members will not vote for any deal, backstop or not, as they are pushing for no deal. Which is what benefits them and their sponsors the most. Then you have to factor in the ones that voted for the deal, then voted against, then voted for, and vice-versa.

As far as point 1) goes, Brexit with a deal is what was promised. Those warning we would end up with no deal were dismissed as 'skeptics and naysayers'.

6) You just need to believe harder.

[Galant]

You should also factor in that ERG members will not vote for any deal, backstop or not, as they are pushing for no deal. Which is what benefits them and their sponsors the most. Then you have to factor in the ones that voted for the deal, then voted against, then voted for, and vice-versa.

As far as point 1) goes, Brexit with a deal is what was promised. Those warning we would end up with no deal were dismissed as 'skeptics and naysayers'.

6) You just need to believe harder.

Sure, except that there's only been one deal on offer which we know was voted down in a bipartisan fashion, so that wasn't one side or the other, and beyond that, they haven't been able to come up with an alternative. Worse than that, talk about Brexit and a deal has not advanced in the direction of an improved deal (except perhaps to say that the sticking point is the backstop - so removing that might be a way to move forward). Instead, talk has more and more moved in a direction to say that there is no acceptable version and that there needs to be a second referendum or a full repeal etc.

I do not accept that Brexit with a deal was what was promised. I certainly never believed that nor considered it to be promised. There was talk about the possibility of it, but the clear question on the referendum was open, and then beyond that, the legislation passed into law was to leave with or without a deal on a certain date. Regardless, even if I give the benefit of the doubt to say that a deal was promised, the point here, and of my frustration, is that the remain side have made totally clear that they're not interested in any deal whatsoever. The simply do not want Brexit. That's the bottom line. It's either Brexit of some sort via the Leave side, or no brexit at all on the remain side, and all the double-speak is disgusting me.

[Smudger]

I do not accept that Brexit with a deal was what was promised. I certainly never believed that nor considered it to be promised. There was talk about the possibility of it, but the clear question on the referendum was open, and then beyond that, the legislation passed into law was to leave with or without a deal on a certain date. Regardless, even if I give the benefit of the doubt to say that a deal was promised, the point here, and of my frustration, is that the remain side have made totally clear that they're not interested in any deal whatsoever. The simply do not want Brexit. That's the bottom line. It's either Brexit of some sort via the Leave side, or no brexit at all on the remain side, and all the double-speak is disgusting me.

Can you provide one example of someone from one of the Vote Leave campaigns saying 'we want no deal'?

The ERG have also made it clear that they're not interested in any deal whatsoever, although they didn't reveal that until after the referendum.

[TeePee]

The word 'Traitor' is reserved for those elected MP's working to sabotage the UK's ability to negotiate a deal with the EU. They are working for the EU and against the UK. You aren't a traitor because of an opinion you hold, or because you have a desire to remain.

[Galant]

Can you provide one example of someone from one of the Vote Leave campaigns saying 'we want no deal'? ...

Erm, maybe, not sure, but saying that Brexit with a deal wasn't what was promised is different from saying that a no deal Brexit IS what was promised. That's a lot of negatives so to clarify, I'm saying that I don't think the promised referendum, or what would follow a leave vote, was ever Brexit with a deal. Nor was it 'No Deal Brexit'. Rather, it was that leaving the EU was important, that there were possibilities for a deal, and that no deal was also possible, but that the most important thing was to leave the EU and begin to build an independent future with many, many more possibilities to be explored.