Boris is Boss

[Top_gun]

I do hope that's said with tongue-in-cheek and you are not being serious. In fact, it's such a ridiculous statement that I am going to choose to read it that way

Exit polls are promising, but we've a long night to go. I expect the tory lead to be smaller than predicted, but I have to admit a huge amount of relief as soon as I saw those exit polls being so strong against Corbyn and his deeply flawed policies.

London is home to many political think tanks and academics. We, in London, don't have to listened to that beer belly chap in the pub reciting the Sun like they do up North.

[Saracen999]

@Saracen - i'm late to reply to your comments above, but I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on it, I certainly understand your perspective.

I'm now looking forward to a night of watching newsreaders try and talk about nothing for several hours, its usually quite fun when you have a few friends over we all have the day off tomorrow so will stay up for the duration I think...

And you know what, tonight I suspect we're both hoping for the same thing. I may despise the very idea of Brexit, and would love the Lib Dems to win..but I am not stupid enough to believe they stand a chance. What I do hope, more than pretty much anything else today, is that Corbyn does not make it in to power. However much damage I believe Brexit could do to our economy, country and planet - it's nothing compared to the negative effects of a Corbyn led labour government.

I may not have voted for them, but I really, really want the conservatives to win tonight (ideally by a *very* slim majority, just enough to leave Brexit not happening as a possibility...and thats where we diverge again ). God help us all if Corbyn gets in.

@Spud .... yeah, we are more or less broadly, in agreement.

My preferences are

1) Keep Corbyn out.

2) End Brexit ..... dithering. Even Remaining would be better than xeveral more years of Brexit Gridlock.

Personally, though, I didn't have much say in it. Four csndidates, an independent who will get annihiliated, and an LD that won't be far behind. That left Lab or Con and no way would I consider voting Labour if it risked Corbyn, or his pojnt if view, in power.

Neither BoJo nor his deal would be my first preference but, assuming the exit poll is broadly right (and while it may not be, the last few have been decent and it has to be *mahooosively* wrong to change the wi ning party. Even McDonnell was pretty glum and not trying to pretend it isn't a disaster. Instead, the blame game has started.

Having seen that exit poll, my impression is that while the majority may be wrong (up or down) the result won't be.

And as I write this, Blyth Valley has just come in as a Tory gain.

Tory? Blyth Valley? Forum swearing rules prevent me from repeating what I said when I saw it, but it was along the lines of <rude word> me!!!!!!!!

[Ttaskmaster]

Do the constituents have the same sophistication as us Londoners?

Given that most influential 'Londoners' come out here in order to be educated, you're either trolling or an idiot.
As a former Londoner myself, I've seen both sides... and you're so far up your own Tube tunnel, you don't realise the light at the end is the 8:05 to Paddington.

They merely isolated people under the influence of the Sun, the Daily Mail, the Telegraph newspapers.

And that's why you Londoners should not be standing for office in the first place. If you really are ^that far out of touch with the people, you have no business representing anyone in Parliament.

The reality most people have no understanding on Labour's economic policies or a basic understanding of economics.

I think you'll find people on this forum have a far better understanding than you, I, or indeed most people out there.

What we see here is people believing the Tory smears from their friends in the media.

Again, what you see is people who have lived through this before and know from those past experiences that what Labour are touting won't work... and more importantly, they know why it didn't work then and why it certainly won't work now.

I'm not happy that the Tory Trump has won, but I'd rather have him wreck the country and someone else fix it, than Corbyn instigate a culture that facilitates the public wrecking their own country and it being nigh-on irredeemable!!

[TeePee]

London is home to many political think tanks and academics. We, in London, don't have to listened to that beer belly chap in the pub reciting the Sun like they do up North.

Have you ever actually been 'Up North'? Or outside the M25? Because you really aren't coming across as someone with a very broad world view...

[outwar6010]

https://www.businessinsider.com/bori...9-11?r=US&IR=T

"Boris Johnson's Conservative party has received donations from nine Russian donors, with suspected links to the Kremlin, according to an official report which has been suppressed by the prime minister."

"Johnson chose to block publication of the report amid reported fears it could cost him the upcoming general election."

"Leaked details from the report tie Johnson's party to London-based Russian oligarchs, some of whom have known ties to the Russian security services."

Merry christmas from the kremlin it seems....

[Ttaskmaster]

"Johnson chose to block publication of the report amid reported fears it could cost him the upcoming general election."

Seems like he needn't have feared... reportedly, anyway.

[TeePee]

But they're London-based Russian oligarchs, which mean they are obviously far more intelligent and cultured than other Russian oligarchs, and must be Labour supporters as a result.

[Top_gun]

But they're London-based Russian oligarchs, which mean they are obviously far more intelligent and cultured than other Russian oligarchs, and must be Labour supporters as a result.

I think the real test if these Oligarchs require spoon fed slogans.

[[GSV]Trig]

Well now the election is done, this report needs to come out, as does the one into Tory islamaphobia, given how much press was given to the Labour antisemitism report, only fair..

[outwar6010]

Well now the election is done, this report needs to come out, as does the one into Tory islamaphobia, given how much press was given to the Labour antisemitism report, only fair..

Tbh we're seeing bernie sanders being accused of anti semitism, so we can see it's all motivated by the pro israel lobby, who feel threatened by anyone saying palestinians deserve equal rights.

[Galant]

Meanwhile, a classic from the Aussie tourist board:

[Top_gun]

Tbh we're seeing bernie sanders being accused of anti semitism, so we can see it's all motivated by the pro israel lobby, who feel threatened by anyone saying palestinians deserve equal rights.

Interesting how the people who were active against Labour's anti-semantism are silent on the Tory Islamaphobia. The silence is deafening.

[g8ina]

Top-gun, please stop baiting !

[Top_gun]

Top-gun, please stop baiting !

Looks like I'm being singled out again over a perfectly reasonable remark.

[g8ina]

Yes, singled out as you say, because you appear to be the only one really making this type of comments !

I have no axe to grind, I would say the same if any Mods, Admins or ANY other member did the same, but you do appear to have a bee in your bonnet sir.

[AC81]

Interesting how the people who were active against Labour's anti-semantism are silent on the Tory Islamaphobia. The silence is deafening.

Well, generally. I think it's seen that the Islamaphobia in the conservative party, isn't institutionalised. But is rather by a small number of individuals.
Labour however, seem to have a significantly larger problem going right through the party. Labour have had more high profile ministers and MPs resign over anti semitism than the conservatives have over islamaphobia. (and mostly choosing to resign specifically over Corbyns 'handling' of the issue)
And it seems to be a significant problem right from the grass roots of the party.

What's worse (for labour) is that the issue with anti semitism, wasn't really a problem under Blair, Brown and Milliband. (or certainly, no where near the same level) This all looks to show that it became a problem when the party lurched left and went with Corbyn. This instantly ties Corbyn together with the Anti semitism problem. And his poor and at the start often non existant ways of dealing with the problem have meant the problem has become larger and more persistant than it needed to have. Corbyn can take the blame here, although the press may well have been looking for issues here harder than elsewhere. That's largly as Corbyn wasn't tough on the issue right from the start and it's persisted for years.
And, i don't believe for a minute. That had islamaphobia been a significantly larger problem in the conservative party, the papers wouldn't have reported it. They would have. And taken great delight in making May or Johnson squirm as much as they could.

But, even at it's most basic form. When both main partys are being accused of racism. Then to the vast majority of voters. It's going to cancel each other out. And the votes will be won and lost on other issues.
As was this time, Labours change in policy from 2017 on leaving the EU seems to have lost them thier traditional seats.