Boris is Boss

[TeePee]

This is often mentioned but all their 'success' was to take 24 UKIP seats +5 more. The Greens were +4 up and the LibDems were up +15 (these two 'remain' parties alone taking a larger % of the vote than Farage et al).

Labour did awful, Tories worse and the biggest losers were UKIP with -24.

Optics, it's all about optics.

The total of all the 'leave' parties, not just the Brexit Party, was significantly higher... Got to compare like to like....

[TooNice]

Trump, Brexit, Boris.. but also US/China trade war, Iran, HK protests..

The good news is this not WW level horrific. But looking at the news, it feels like the world is going down a septic tank.

If this was a turn based strategy game, you'd think that there is a mastermind infiltrating agents to countries to promote division and installing comedians as head of state (Ukraine did exactly that) so that they can weaken them and their alliances, before they can swoop in and take everyone out.

[adidan]

The total of all the 'leave' parties, not just the Brexit Party, was significantly higher... Got to compare like to like....

Are we talking seats or percentage? Are you including Labour or not and if so in which camp?

Like I say, optics.
Discounting the Tories/Labour you get pro-remain performing better than pro-Brexit parties.
Including those two you get a slight favour for pro-Brexit, not a 'significantly higher' total.

And was Labour pro-remain or pro-brexit? I don't think anybody has been able to say for certain.

Voting stats. They can be read how they want to be read by all of us.

[adidan]

Anyway, sorry, i've dragged myself off on a tangent - it's difficult not to nowadays.

Boris is off to Scotland today, good luck with that!

[neonplanet40]

Yes, he's visiting the "people of Scotland" by going to a Nuclear submarine in the middle of an army facility.

That's as close he will get to real scots haha.

[TeePee]

Are we talking seats or percentage? Are you including Labour or not and if so in which camp?

Like I say, optics.
Discounting the Tories/Labour you get pro-remain performing better than pro-Brexit parties.
Including those two you get a slight favour for pro-Brexit, not a 'significantly higher' total.

And was Labour pro-remain or pro-brexit? I don't think anybody has been able to say for certain.

Voting stats. They can be read how they want to be read by all of us.

Their official policy at the time of the election was 'Leave'.

[Saracen999]

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The UK population has also given a pretty firm vote against changing first-past-the-post very recently (2/3rds to 1/3rd)

While that is true, it's also a bit misleading.

It wasn't a confirmatikn that we wanted FPTP. It was a confirmation that we didn't want to move from FPTP to Alternative Vote, an option which even one of the main proponents, one Nick Clegg, had described as "a miserable little compromise".

Answer me this, if you will.

Hypothetical : You have been convicted of murder, and sentenced to death which, whatever else happens, will be carried out in 24 hours.

You can, however, vote to have the current method, by firing aquad, changed to being torn apart on tbe wrack. Would you?

But what you aren't being asked is if you'd choose is if you'd prefer the chemical combination used by patients in, for instance, cerain Swiss voluntary euthabasua clinics.

Maybe it's all in the question?

[peterb]

Yes, he's visiting the "people of Scotland" by going to a Nuclear submarine in the middle of an army facility.

That's as close he will get to real scots haha.

The Clyde submarine base is a Navy facility, and most of the people working there are Scots, originally Glaswegians employed there as heavy industry declined. The requirement to maintain local employment levels is one of the reasons that the submarine base has been kept open, rather than move to an English location.

[Xlucine]

The Clyde submarine base is a Navy facility, and most of the people working there are Scots, originally Glaswegians employed there as heavy industry declined. The requirement to maintain local employment levels is one of the reasons that the submarine base has been kept open, rather than move to an English location.

A fair number of southerners recently as all the attack subs move up from devonport

While that is true, it's also a bit misleading.

It wasn't a confirmatikn that we wanted FPTP. It was a confirmation that we didn't want to move from FPTP to Alternative Vote, an option which even one of the main proponents, one Nick Clegg, had described as "a miserable little compromise".

Answer me this, if you will.

Hypothetical : You have been convicted of murder, and sentenced to death which, whatever else happens, will be carried out in 24 hours.

You can, however, vote to have the current method, by firing aquad, changed to being torn apart on tbe wrack. Would you?

But what you aren't being asked is if you'd choose is if you'd prefer the chemical combination used by patients in, for instance, cerain Swiss voluntary euthabasua clinics.

Maybe it's all in the question?

So if the situation changes, and what's on the table isn't what was offered during the first referendum, we can go back to the people for an updated view?

[neonplanet40]

He visited Faslane did he not?

It is where the nuclear deterrent is housed. The people of Scotland do not want it there (it is beside our biggest city) and the Scottish government has called in the past numerous times for it to be removed from Scotland. This has yet to happen or even be considered. I wonder why?

The UK government does not leave it there because they want to ensure local employment levels. I mean seriously. How about moving it to the Thames? I'm sure the people of London would welcome it with open arms. However, that's a different argument.

My point was that he avoided the Scottish people as much as possible. He even crept out the back door of Bute house when he left yesterday. Say's it all really.

[adidan]

My point was that he avoided the Scottish people as much as possible. He even crept out the back door of Bute house when he left yesterday. Say's it all really.

I wish he'd get that response down here, the Scots are the only ones with any sense nowadays.

Many people down here seem to be obsessed with ideology over reality and facts. That sort of attitude has never panned out well in history.

[adidan]

Well speculators will be making a killing on the pound at the moment with the rhetoric coming from the PM.

[kompukare]

Well speculators will be making a killing on the pound at the moment with the rhetoric coming from the PM.

Yes.
Since/during this current depression, central bankers have all been mostly responsible.
No 1930s beggar-thy-neighbour cycle of devaluations.
However, it seems at least in the US and UK, the electorate have been trying to outdo each other in the vote-for-foolish-things competition. Which is another way to debase the currency and sink confidence in the economy.
Unsure who's winning the competition at the moment...

[ik9000]

scratch that please delete

[TooNice]

Well speculators will be making a killing on the pound at the moment with the rhetoric coming from the PM.

I don't trade currencies, but fortunately I've moved most of my money out of the UK when I decided to move out.. and will probably get more pound for my money during my visit in a few months time (mostly for some necessary admin work).

Seems like the government is putting aside quite a lot of money to offset the expected impact of Brexit.. though I thought the UK was meant to be better off after it? All the billions to spend from not having to pay the EU and stuff?

Well with all the things *I* consider absurd coming to pass, I do expect that Boris will get his no-deal Brexit. I only wish there was a court where politicians who promised the sky but end up burying the country with lies can but trialed and be forced to pay back a percentage of their wealth by to the state (the percentage depending on the severity of the damage and extent of their lies). Alas, it seems like they can get away with anything short but murder.

[neonplanet40]

They have also refused to rule out an emergency budget. I don't understand the support he is getting to push through something that is obviously going to cause massive economic difficulties not long after the 2010 recession. It should come down to a vote. Did everyone vote for a no-deal? Really?!

This generation is screwed. Wages are starting to recover (albeit slowly) but October 31st is looking like a generation-defining moment that will likely cause them to plummet again. The fall of the pound is already hitting everyone. How can people still believe the lies? I don't understand it, to be honest.

I'm not from England (where the Brexit party did well), but what exactly is fueling this ignorance of the facts around people now? How can people believe the EU is to blame for our economic difficulties and not austerity? Austerity has been valued at almost 200 billion pounds! GDP has already fallen around 3% since the vote to leave. How can many in England (and others across the UK ofc) believe that we are going to be better off when the facts and everything going on shows the opposite?