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    Re: Coronavirus

    Wonder how much this shiney badge has cost, add that to the cost of BoJo's letter and suddenly you have to wonder abut how much money could be given to the NHS staff rather than rubbishrubbishrubbishrubbish like this, or people clapping once a week, especially when you have a 100 year old vet raising 13mill all on his own...

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    Re: Coronavirus

    Quote Originally Posted by [GSV]Trig View Post
    Wonder how much this shiney badge has cost, add that to the cost of BoJo's letter and suddenly you have to wonder abut how much money could be given to the NHS staff rather than rubbishrubbishrubbishrubbish like this, or people clapping once a week, especially when you have a 100 year old vet raising 13mill all on his own...
    Captain Tom... A true legend.

    The £14m raised is enough for 12m N95 / FFP2, or about 6m FFP3 / N99 disposable masks.

    No excuses for this govenment.

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    Re: Coronavirus

    If you'd like to see some of the implications of this crisis read the long and complex article attached.

    "On one side, countries can go the mitigation route: create a massive epidemic, overwhelm the healthcare system, drive the death of millions of people, and release new mutations of this virus in the wild.

    On the other, countries can fight. They can lock down for a few weeks to buy us time, create an educated action plan, and control this virus until we have a vaccine.

    Governments around the world today, including some such as the US, the UK or Switzerland have so far chosen the mitigation path."

    https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coron...e-be9337092b56
    Society's to blame,
    Or possibly Atari.

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    Re: Coronavirus

    Quote Originally Posted by j1979 View Post
    Captain Tom... A true legend.

    The £14m raised is enough for 12m N95 / FFP2, or about 6m FFP3 / N99 disposable masks.

    No excuses for this govenment.
    For someone to buy something, they need someone else with the 'something', willing and able to sell/supply.
    A lesson learned from PeterB about dignity in adversity, so Peter, In Memorium, "Onwards and Upwards".

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    Re: Coronavirus

    Quote Originally Posted by Saracen999 View Post
    For someone to buy something, they need someone else with the 'something', willing and able to sell/supply.
    or to outbid the next offer - a la US inter-state "auction wars" of bidding against each other. Capitalist's wet dream no? Monopolise, exploit, monetise.

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    Re: Coronavirus

    Oh and some good news - uncle has been improving and finally had his first day without needing assisted oxygen. Looks like he should be home soon.

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    Re: Coronavirus

    https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/12/famil...isis-12545775/

    "GPs are reportedly asking families to sign ‘do not resuscitate’ (DNR) forms in the event their vulnerable loved ones contract coronavirus."


    As someone with family who have learning disabilities this sickens me to my stomach.

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    Re: Coronavirus

    Quote Originally Posted by ik9000 View Post
    or to outbid the next offer - a la US inter-state "auction wars" of bidding against each other. Capitalist's wet dream no? Monopolise, exploit, monetise.
    The big problem in the US isn't the States outbidding each other, but bidding against speculators driving the prices up without any actual use for the products. These people deserve prison.

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    Re: Coronavirus

    Quote Originally Posted by Saracen999 View Post
    For someone to buy something, they need someone else with the 'something', willing and able to sell/supply.
    A quick look on Alibaba has returned results since the start of the crisis.

    The govenment could have also nationalised all masks for sale with medical retailers, wholesalers, and DIY retailers like screwfix, in the same way Spain did.

    It's besides the point though. The UK gov had simulated a respiratory pandemic in 2016. but they didn't restock, make an app or make or even design venitalors until March 2020. 2.5 months after they knew about the virus.

    Even if there is no stock to buy now (which there is), they are criminaly negligent for not having a rolling stock.

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    Re: Coronavirus

    Quote Originally Posted by j1979 View Post
    A quick look on Alibaba has returned results since the start of the crisis.

    The govenment could have also nationalised all masks for sale with medical retailers, wholesalers, and DIY retailers like screwfix, in the same way Spain did.

    It's besides the point though. The UK gov had simulated a respiratory pandemic in 2016. but they didn't restock, make an app or make or even design venitalors until March 2020. 2.5 months after they knew about the virus.

    Even if there is no stock to buy now (which there is), they are criminaly negligent for not having a rolling stock.
    they'll claim it wasn't us it was that lot, and we were doing brexit and lalala (payrise please) how was i to know? I was overseas and lalala

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    Re: Coronavirus

    Quote Originally Posted by j1979 View Post
    Captain Tom... A true legend.

    The £14m raised is enough for 12m N95 / FFP2, or about 6m FFP3 / N99 disposable masks.

    No excuses for this govenment.
    Up to 15.5m now apparently.

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    Re: Coronavirus

    Quote Originally Posted by j1979 View Post
    It's besides the point though. The UK gov had simulated a respiratory pandemic in 2016. but they didn't restock, make an app or make or even design venitalors until March 2020. 2.5 months after they knew about the virus.
    You can simulate, but the asian countries like Taiwan, Hong Kong, China, S.Korea already experienced SARS, MERS in the last 20 years. They had companies ready to produce test kits quickly because there was a lot of money in it for them.

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    Re: Coronavirus

    https://techcrunch.com/2020/04/15/fd...sting-devices/
    https://economictimes.indiatimes.com...w/74946136.cms

    The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has authorized the manufacture of the Coventor ventilator, a new hardware design first developed by the University of Minnesota. The project sought to create a ventilator that could provide the same level of life-saving care as existing ventilator models, but with a much lower cost to help ramp production quickly and make them affordable to the health institutions that need them.

    The Coventor becomes the first of these types of novel ventilator designs to earn an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) from the FDA. Just like it sounds, an EUA isn’t a full traditional medical device approval like the drug and device regulator would ordinarily issue, but an emergency, temporary grant in the interest of helping provide access to resources in short supply, or without the usual full chain of approvals, in times of crisis.

    The coronavirus pandemic is potentially the best example of such a crisis in modern memory, and the respiratory illness caused by COVID-19 requires treatment including intubation and ventilator breathing support for the most severe cases. Ventilator hardware has been in short supply given the volume of cases, both in the U.S. and abroad, and a number of solutions have been proposed including new hardware designs and modifications to other types of medical breathing apparatus to account for the gap.

    U of M’s Coventor, developed with a team including engineering and medical school faculty, is a desktop-sized device that costs around $1,000 to produce, making it a much more viable alternative if sold at cost to medical facilities when compared to the $20,000 to $25,000 retail price of your average existing hospital-grade ventilator hardware.

    Both medical device maker Medtronic (the company that’s also working with Tesla on its ventilator manufacturing plans) and Boston Scientific (which will be producing the Coventor for distribution following this approval) contributed to the development of the design. The University also announced today that it would be making the Coventor’s specs open-source so that it can be manufactured globally, provided other companies seek and secure similar approvals from the FDA and relevant international health authorities.
    WASHINGTON: Cheering the Indian engineers for building a low-cost ventilator, the US hopes that this invention succeeds and can eventually be mass produced as the critical medical equipment can save many lives from the deadly coronavirus that has killed over 5,000 people in America and 40,000 others globally.
    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/16/ge-f...roduction.html

    General Electric and Ford Motor will produce 50,000 ventilators for the U.S. government under the Defense Production Act for $336 million, federal officials announced Thursday.

    Production of the ventilators is expected to begin next week at a Ford facility in Michigan. The companies are expected to produce all the ventilators by July 13, according to the Department of Health and Human Services.

    According to the terms in the announcement, each ventilator would cost $6,720. That’s nearly $10,000 below a previous federal contract for 30,000 ventilators at $489.4 million, or about $16,300 per unit, with General Motors and Washington-based Ventec Life Systems.
    So some good news from the US,they are managing to get ventilators produced at a relatively low cost,so hopefully going forward we can see more ICU beds worldwide as the costs for implementation should be lower.

    Penlon has finally got its ventilator design approved and production is starting:
    https://www.theguardian.com/business...nlon-regulator
    https://www.pesmedia.com/ventilator-...penlon-160420/

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    Re: Coronavirus

    Quote Originally Posted by pp05 View Post
    You can simulate, but the asian countries like Taiwan, Hong Kong, China, S.Korea already experienced SARS, MERS in the last 20 years. They had companies ready to produce test kits quickly because there was a lot of money in it for them.

    exactly


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    Re: Coronavirus

    Germany has announced the outbreak is now under control:
    https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-la...ain/a-53156163
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-eur...eporting-story

    Germany's health minister says the month-long lockdown has brought his country's coronavirus outbreak under control.

    Jens Spahn said that since 12 April the number of recovered patients had been consistently higher than the number of new infections.

    The infection rate has dropped to 0.7 - that is, each infected person passed the virus to fewer than one other.

    In Germany 3,868 have died of Covid-19 - fewer than in Italy, Spain or France.

    However, the number of fatalities is still rising in Germany, as is the number of infected health care workers.

    So far almost 134,000 people have been infected in Germany.

    The degree of lockdown varies across Germany's regions - it is tightest in the states of Bavaria and Saarland.

    On Wednesday Chancellor Angela Merkel announced tentative steps to start easing the restrictions. Some smaller shops will reopen next week and schools will start reopening in early May, with the focus on students due to sit exams soon.
    Media captionShould I wear a mask to stop coronavirus?

    But Mrs Merkel warned there was "little margin for error" and that "caution should be the watchword". Sports and leisure facilities, as well as cafes and restaurants, will remain closed indefinitely.

    Germany's network of diagnostic labs has been praised internationally for having responded rapidly to the pandemic. By early April Germany was doing more than 100,000 swab tests daily, enabling more coronavirus carriers to be traced than in other EU countries.

    Mr Spahn said that by August, German companies would produce up to 50 million face masks a week for healthcare workers.

    On Friday the eastern state of Saxony became the first German state to make the wearing of masks compulsory on public transport and in shops. Mask-wearing is compulsory in neighbouring Austria, the Czech Republic and Slovakia.

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