The good news is no more rubbers...

[Maffu]

So, you're willing to take away 'heaven' from people SD? Taking away the belief they go onto something better after life? If believing that believing and following a religion makes someone have a happier life I'm all for it. I don't follow an religion, but as long as it's for good and it makes them a happier person, I'm all for it. Sometimes I'm even envious. It's nice to have a belief in something.

Saying they are fake, in a rash, sweaping statement like yours, slientdeath, is childish and naive at best.

[SilentDeath]

didnt mean it like that ffs dont take it out of context!!! (mayeb i didnt make the context clear enuf sorry )

i didnt say they dont have any right to it, i said i dont think religion should be allowed to influence laws, because its usually anti-choice and or discrimantory. every one has a right to there belifs, but BELIFS ARE NOT LAWS!!!
(anti-choice and or discrimantory = anti-abortion, rasism, stuff related to gay, captial / coprate punnishment, many many other things *note - ppl should have chioce in rasism, thats under discriminatory*)
also sorry, cos i cba to explain it in any detail, so i expect some flaming, many of ur points i will agree with its just a few major things i hate about religeon including hte fact that im not sure how to spel the damn word!.. i agree some parts of religeon are good - like communitys, but a lot are just for self gain (which are the bits is dislike) and are not all for good.

fake.. well... thats my opinion... theres no evidence of it all exept the bible, which admittedly i havent read much of, what i have read points out religion was something there to control large amounts of ppl before there was any proper law, and for morals etc...

[Elmo]

its religion btw

[Maffu]

It's religion. Trust me.

:edit: Beaten to it!

How much proof do you have that "god" doesn't exist? About the same as someone who does believe in "god." So, saying that all religions are fake is, well, wrong. You're entitled to your own opinion, but you're just asking for trouble saying they are fake, like you know this as the truth. A simple, "I don't believe or follow and religion, and disagree with them" would have been better.

Also, this "all" bit. You've studied several religions? You have a good understanding of them all? Don't take this the wrong way, but you can't even spell the word.

but a lot are just for self gain

Care to explain what you mean by this? And which part of any religion is promoting this?

[Drunken Poncho]

organised religion will NOT save your soul.

The sooner the whole world stops this 'my religions bigger than your religion' thing the world would be a much safer place.

If everyone was doing what they were supposed to be doing all of thime, nothing bad would ever happen.

[Slick]

sorry, I'm a bit drunk but didn't this start out as a thread about contraception rather than religion bashing?

[spikegifted]

Is this an argument between 'pro-life' and 'pro-choice'?

[Knoxville]

Originally posted by tiggerai
Oh and Knox...
"well as condoms are the reccomended contrceptive pretty much everywhere and the morning afterpill is not availdable as readily as condoms it could be argued that the condom company are responsible at least in part."

The pills are available quite readily actually, all you need to do is go to a local pharmacy. Levonelle they call it...

I know they're availdable from pharmacys etc, but condoms are availdable from pretty much everywhere,pretty much any public toilet, schools, colleges, family planning clinics.

[Bazzlad]

So many stupid comments to retort to, so little time.

I'll start with Silent Deaths, very offensive comment of:

would steriotype him as a typical christian/american. god doesnt exist so stfu with ur pathetic argument that abortion is wrong.

1) I'm not a typical Christian, I stopped going to Church 2 years ago after having an argument with a guest speaker in front of the congregation after he said that if I new born baby dies without being Christened*Sp* or blessed in someway, it couldn't go to heaven. Stuff that.
2) I'm not American, I'm Brummie.
3) When you can prove God doesn't exist, then I'll listen to your pathetic, generic, stereotypical anti- everything ranting, until then feel free to blow me.
4) I’m not anti-abortion due to my religion, as I’ve said before; I was pro-abortion until I was placed in the position.

Another funny quote from the same mensa candidate is this

Bazzlad, uve proved that you know almost sweet fa about the subject, a levels mean fa, u may as well say what u got for ur GCSE science

No you’ll find I know a fair bit, but not as much as one or two of the members, my argument was never, I know more, but I quoted what I know, and what I know is right. If someone knows more than me, then I’ll listen and learn (Is that not how we get smarter) but if someone wants to argue with the fundamentals I’ll stand back and laugh.
Oh and GCSE Science? Double A, mate. A levels mean nothing? Ok Mr Better than Education.

Nichomach, I did indeed make a mistake with my figures:
I’m trying to argue and work at the same time

From where did you obtain the 19,000,000 figure?

http://www.statistics.gov.uk
But I think I clicked on WORLD births, still given deaths in 3rd World countries, 242 may be significant to their families etc, but isn’t a large figure.


Elmo,

If you think you know more about fertility etc than someone studying a degree in it, then that's your opinion, but i'd like to see you sit the exams for it.

That’s what I would be doing if my band hadn’t got a deal.

The second idea, that cells in the early embryo are unspecialised, has been
challenged by recent findings at the University of Cambridge, UK1. Researchers
separately dyed the cells of a mouse embryo at the two-cell stage, one red, the other
blue, and then allowed the embryo to continue developing. They then followed the
differently coloured multiplying cells to the blastocyst stage, noting that one of the
cells gave rise to the embryo body and the other to the tissues that support the
developing embryo. This indicates that even at this most early of stages the two cells
are different from one another and are committed to a particular pathway.

Well Elmo, the University of Cambridge seem to agree with me. Thank you for that highly informative read.
This argument is about Abortion and the sub arguments that form this discussion, not my religion, what colour pants you’re wearing or if you’re a student enjoy the STD lifestyle.

My argument is anti-abortion, but not 100% strict. Same as my argument for Cannabis, I don’t like it, but if someone NEEDS it.

My main argument was women should NOT get 100% of the say.
As someone said earlier, if a man doesn’t want it, he has to pay child support.
So, if a woman doesn’t want it, and the man does, she should pay a form of *Loss tax*.
Fair is fair, after all.
Feel free to pick through this.

[shiato storm]

well whoop dee f***ing do...