IE8 and Chrome. In my opinion.Originally Posted by Barrichello
But everyone is different.
I find Firefox rough around the edges, and generally not to my tastes.
I was considering trying Opera, because I've been hearing how fast it is. But Opera sticking their oar in and messing up Windows 7 has drastically changed my intentions on to use Opera.
Not that one user matters though - sheep will be sheep.
Think how hard that would make it for developers!Am I the only person here who agrees with this? You can't remove IE from XP or Vista completely - no matter what you do. I do not want any part of IE to be installed on my PC if I can help it - no DLL/Active X components - nothing!!!. Its about time microsoft got told where to shove that pathetic excuse of a browser (including 8!). Maybe then steam would stop using it internally.
Any way its pretty obvious this is just an opportunity for microsoft to put pressure on the competition commission so they can get the judgement reduced - just wait Win7 E will have a link on the desktop that installs IE just like they do with MSN.
If you want to download a file from HTTP, you need to have code to do that, it makes sense for it to be part of the operating system, that way the OS can have rules as which proxy to use etc.
You just sound like a numpty saying things like that.
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Surely in europe OSX should also be forced to ship without safari?
The Iphone comes with Safari only and you arent allowed to create an application that does the same functionality as something that comes with the phone. opera have made a version for the iphone but arent allowed to ship it because apple say you cant...
so surely the EU should sue apple right away and make apple allow other browsers on the iphone at least?
Also say for example if i buy windows 7 from say scan how can i get online without a browser?
will all companies will sell windows give a second disc or maybe a usb stick with browsers on it?
surely it could also mean any europe mirrors for linux distros should ship .iso files without any browser?
you can easily install browsers using the package manager so it wouldnt be an issue at all.
Last edited by lodore; 12-06-2009 at 02:13 PM.
Ummmmm. Why would you need to buy it from abroad? If you going to install Google Chrome anyway, why is it a problem that IE is not in it? Just download Chrome from another computer pop it on a USB stick and bob's your uncle. In fact it'll probably run better without IE embedded in anyway!
This is the problem, for us this is simple as hell to do. Now imagine your normal run of the mill high street shopper that just about know's they need to start a browser or turn on the machine. Do you think they will even begin to know where to look for a browser? All the high street will get is "It's broken, it doesn't work on the internet" etc etc.
I applaud MS for being stubborn and pulling it outright
The EU got what it wanted now it's moaning that MS have gone to far and they want a selection of browsers on offer lol.
Will probably lead to more piracy, with folks just deciding to acquire the "full" non european version from elsewhere ...
Even without any legislation and help from anti-monopoly commissions, Firefox has a 28% share of European market and is constantly increasing it (at the expense of IE losing). I don't think that what you're describing is a problem in this case.
Last edited by Crevan; 12-06-2009 at 02:18 PM. Reason: spelling
Agreed.
I wonder how programs like Ultimate Steal will be affected. Hopefully they will offer the "full" non-eu-****ed-up version.
The other thing I haven't figured out yet is how Microsoft are meant to pick which browsers to make available at purchase. I mean, let's say they put Opera, Safari, Firefox and IE on there. Surely that's being unfair now to Google Chrome. But then that's being unfair to browser X, and browser Y.
It could never be "fair". It's complete and utter rubbish. But then everybody's already fully aware of that.
whats wrong with the E and N versions?
Like most people i used to use IE all the time. then i was introduced to firefox via my sister's friend which was 1.5 at the time. I toyed with extensions etc. It crashed quite alot so I looked for alternitives and then found the browser ive been using the years now opera.
Most people use what comes with the OS and doesnt relise that alternitives excist. hopfully this move will mean more and more sites will work properly on other browsers such as firefox,opera and chrome.
Dont include a browser with any OS.
ship a second disc with the main browsers and let the consumer have the choice. whats wrong with that?
on the same disc include media players,messenger type programs,office etc.
choice is good.
Last edited by lodore; 12-06-2009 at 03:03 PM.
Hands up if this just doesn't make sense to any of you?
Why couldn't they just give a basic package selection dialog, post-install when Windows asks a bunch of details to make the system usable?
7: E lacks Internet Explorer. 7: N lacks Windows Media Player. Both of which I use regularly.
Users already have a choice. They have the whole god damn internet in front of them. They can download what they want, and they can use what they want.
This won't stop people who use IE from using IE. Sames goes for FF, Opera, Chrome.
It will however makes things difficult for Average Joe out there, who won't have a clue what to do without the big blue E on his/her desktop. Cue endless support calls to Microsoft.
Why should Microsoft ship a second CD/DVD with different browsers on there?
And if Microsoft does this, why doesn't Apple (already mentioned several times throughout this thread)?
I use IE8 as it is no hassle to install and is there ready to use after a fresh format for a clean system. I think it is just stupid for Microsoft not being allowed to have IE8 pre-installed, as there are many people who are unsure how to install applications.
Next they will start saying it is unfair to include Windows Defender, or paint lol!
Europe should be concentrating on how to solve the economic crisis, not worrying about how Microsoft's own OS cannot come with it's own browser just because it lowers competition...
To be honest this is how they are sorting out the economic crisis out, they have already had something close to 2 - 3 billion euro out of them from memory over the years. Their last fine was 950ish million euro's
For the record I am a developer with 7 years industry experience. Providing the ability to use HTTP connections has nothing to do with browsers - it just part of the network library your using. The browser is the GUI, the HTML rendering engine and JavaScript engine. I don't see how me not wanting these items on my PC makes me a numpty. These are well proven as being poor implementations that give some very big vulnerabilities because they are so closely tied in to the OS.
Also don't see how people can compare this with Linux and Firefox. With Linux you can easily choose a different package and away you go - no more Firefox.
Except, its not.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/libr...tprequest.aspx
So fire up your debugger and look at what is used when that is used.
What is IE?
In windows terminiology its pretty much the session enabling web stack.
HTTP.SYS is the low level bit which hosting sits on, this is IIS.
Been closely tied in with the OS, the IE components are firmly in the UserMode space.
So do you mean just stripping out the rendering bits? What about any app that uses the very nice to program with and easy to useIE engine. The amount of people who've used this for say scraping weather details from a website are hudge.
Can't really suggest taking it out is a good idea, what with backwards compatability been so great on windows an all.
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